By NoMeatFail - 27/02/2011 00:59 - Canada
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Sorry darling, but you ARE supposed to read the ingredients before you buy it. It's no different than if you were allergic to something. ALWAYS read the ingredients if you choose not to eat certain things or cannot, for the sake of your health.
um vegetarian means that you don't eat animal products so that actually doesn't sound like a vegan. also, a lot of restaurants will say that a vegetarian soup has only vegetable broth but really they mix beef/chicken broth with vegetable broth or they only use beef/vegetable.
isnt it just broth? it's probably artificial flavoring. anyways you should've read closely...
oh u had beef broth, ur gonna die in 2 days...i hate killing animals but eat em anyway. am i a terrible person :Oo? maybe im just dissonance
21, nope I eat meat. There's a difference between hating and disliking something. I don't hate killing animals by eating them. I just dislike it. There was a time when my dislike turned to hate and I stopped eating meat. If your feelings toward animal killings are that strong, then yes you'd quit, but obviously they're not. Before I get hated on because I started eating animals again, it was due to health reasons. Not health reasons due to not eating meat, but other health reasons.
27, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying you enjoy killing animals yourself, but by eating them you are promoting (not the right word) it. So would you eat a human if you weren't the one who killed it? I'm just saying, if you really hated seeing people slaughter animals, you would stop eating them. Obviously it doesn't affect you much if you continue to do so. 28, I agree with that statement. Almost everything nowadays has some form of meat.
And even if you grow your own crops you're almost guaranteed to kill a number of insects and other small animals. #31: Does human taste good, is it already dead, and would there be the possibility of any negative repercussions for eating it? If yes, yes, and no respectively then, sure, why not? Always thought it'd be interesting to try human. Of course, there's also a huge difference between killing people and animals, anyway, so it's not even analogous.
37, not my point. I'm just saying if you REALLY hated animal deaths, you'd stop them. If you just disliked it, but could live with it, then continue. In my opinion neither is right or wrong. But you can't exactly say I HATE how humans kill animals, then go eat a hamburger...
I think, other than you, the closest anyone has said is that they hate killing animals. Not that they hate animals dying or they hate other people killing animals, just that they hate killing animals. There is no problem with hating killing animals yourself and still enjoying a good steak. That said, I think killing and butchering one's own meat is an experience every meat-eater should have sometime. It can be rather fun, but I wonder how many people would convert to vegetarianism if this experience were actually enforced....
52, true. I was wrong. I didn't notice that. Most people nowadays use the whole 'I hate killing animals' excuse for eating them as well. Since eating them in a way does lead to their death. I never thought they'd actually mean themselves killing them. I still think 21 meant as in he himself hates killing them, but 8 meant it the other way; as in he hates the idea of humans killing animals.
omg, I'm a vegan, and I've done exactly the same thing, it's absoloutley awful! I felt so bad afterwards!
it's a personal choice if I want to be a vegan. there are different reasons that people 'convert' whether it be allergies or preference. my mum tried being vegan, and it just wasn't for her. I'm an animal rights person, and I take that role seriously. it's called commitment :3
I can only speak for myself of course, but as a vegetarian I don't want animals to suffer. I'm not sure I understand why you'd say vegetarians only want animals not to get killed. The reason I became a vegetarian is because I disagree with the way animals are treated. Also, to whoever said that one vegetarian/vegan isn't going to change anything: that's a pretty dumb argument.
"TheNinjaCat"...more like thePUSSYcat. For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat three. Plus, I'll throw in a couple of endangered animals to make the tastiest BBQ ever. Vegans and vegetarians are the worst hypocrites; animals die while harvesting the vegetables and grains you eat. Chew on that.
Zargon: I do actually, I buy all these products at a biologic food store. It's expensive, especially for a student, but it's worth it (for me anyway :)) Zinoxity: it's a dumb argument because if you look at it that way none of it matters. You could say: oh, I'll steal stuff from the supermarket, they make so much money they won't even miss it. But because a lot of people steal, it becomes a lot of money. Same with vegetarians. Sure, I didn't change anything by becoming a vegetarian, but if a significant amount of people choose to become a vegetarian too (or choose to do the meatless mobday thing for that matter) the demand for meat will drop and eventually change the amount of animals getting horribly treated and slaughtered. One person can't change a thing in this world, but you know, the whole "be the change you want to see in the world".
You're acting like she's the only vegan in the world. you're worse that the whole "animals eat other animals, it's nature" people. Why can't you just accept that not everyone wants to eat meat? And i love how you say "we're dealing with a 14 year old" yet you are acting a lot more childish than her.
Good on you, but can we please, please, please, stop using such meaningless terms as "biological food" or "organic food"? Off the top of my head, I can think of exactly one thing we eat that doesn't fit under the actual definition of either: salt. It was a stupid decision for whoever decided to start using those terms and my soul cringes every time I read or see them.
This is a stupid argument. It's true that the way animals are slaughtered probably isn't going to change but it's also a matter of personal preference. I'm a vegeterian not because of those reasons but because there are chemicals in the meat that are poisonous to the body. Have you ever wondered why suddenly there are so many rare forms of cancer now?
Doortje, I'm sorry but your argument is irrelevant. Major companies get the same amount of demand for food products from animals each month from restaurants, stores, etc. Vegans won't change that. The amount will decrease a bit, but in the end, the amount of animals killed will be the same due to the increase of the earth's population. There's millions of humans who hate vegetables, which means they'll be eating animals. What's this mean? your suffering won't change much at all.
While I am suspicious of your link between the chemical additives in meat and cancer (most such studies I've ever heard of involve such ludicrously high doses that it's equally valid to start championing the dangerousness of dihydrogen monoxide), if you want meat without it's not too difficult to find naturally-raised, no-additive meat.
WAIT WAIT WAIT. I'm bring criticised for sucking up for my self after being called a pussy? so what, you want me to may down and be walked all over? thank you, people who are backing me up. and so what if I'm 14? I've experienced things in my 14 years that no body has in a lifetime. Diortje, thank you so much <3
I may be 14. but I've experienced things in my 14 years that others will not in a life time. why are you having a go at me for defending my self after being called a pussy? you want me to just lay down and take it all? I don't deserve to be called that after simply stating I'm a vegan. and thank you very much, Doortje for backing up my case, 'cause it's a dog eat dog world out there, and it cannot bear to be wrong. much love xx
#97: Almost all of your food is biological. Meat? Comes from an animal, which is a biological being. Vegetables? Comes from plants, which are biological. Fungus, same thing, yada, yada. The only thing I can think of that doesn't fit this description is salt, which is just a mineral. Similarly, "organic" means "carbon-based", which all biological things are. Co-opting these terms to mean something closer to "all-natural" (which is dubious for entirely different reasons) is just silly given that they actually describe basically all of your food as is.
I grew up on farm land eating organic, straight-from-the-farm food most of my life and it is simply more flavourful, by nature, than the factory-farmed, preservative-laden crap you find at most grocers. I understand that the factory farm processes we all know and loathe developed out to allow us to grow more food so we can actually meet food needs, but given that we produce more than enough food to feed the world comfortably (distribution is the major issue), I'm not sure how necessary the factory farms even are. That said, the reason I haven't bothered doing the research on this is because I have no problem with other people eating the chemical-laden shit so long as I still have the good stuff available. tl;dr version: the foods themselves are good; the terms are bad.
WAIT WAIT WAIT.. you're criticising me for sticking up for self after being called a pussy? what, you want me to just lay down and take it, let people walk all over me? yes, I may be fourteen but I've experienced more frightful and disturbing things in my fourteen years than anyone will do in a life time, don't jump to conclusions. thanks you Doortje and others for backing up my case, much love <3
Than anyone will do in a life time? You live in a free country, you have food, water, heating, free education and the list goes on... But i'm sure you have it much worse than people fleeing genocide with no possessions at all... You just sound like a typical spoilt kid who has everything they need except a slap in the face.
Oh really? Do you want to inbox me, and I'll give you a little insight to my life? Believe me, at times I wish I was one of those poor children in a different country. I may have material things, but money can't buy love, nor can it buy a happy home. Get you stories straight before you judge me.
My first memories are from when I was three years old. My family of five could barely afford a roof over our heads and food to eat. The food we could afford wasn't exactly high quality or the most filling and we couldn't exactly afford to eat every single meal, but we made do. By the time I started school, the free breakfasts & lunches were the best meals I had. Now, I was a lucky bastard because I had loving parents who did manage to work us out of this situation over time. But, you know what, there are plenty more kids who weren't as lucky as I and who never really did get the chance to get out of that situation for whatever reason. Or, if you care to leave the country, we not only get the threat of potentially not having a next meal, but also of dying of various diseases that are practically unheard of in the first world, or because of an oppressive government or military action. It's shit that somebody's apparently hitting you (ever consider calling or child services? This is kinda what they exist for), but if you can eat, not worry about life-threatening diseases every minute of your life, and you can walk down a street confident that you're not going to be blown to pieces, then you are far way from more disturbing and frightening experiences "than anyone will do in a lifetime".
Tammy, all these sudden new rare forms of cancer are not to do with eating meat! our species has eaten meat for thousands of years. You've just said a load of bullshit. if there are poisons in meat then there isn't nearly enough for humans to even notice it when we eat a lot of meat. I'm not a vegetarian because I always crave meat if I haven't had it, I love the taste. However I only get organic free range products so I know that the animals who produce what I'm eating have had or are having a good healthy life.
Ok being a vegetarian I understand to a point, but vegans are the ones who don't eat any animal products whatsoever. I know it's because of the whole animals suffering thing but cows need to be milked otherwise they will die and chickens need to lay eggs. So, by you not eating the products you would be making an animal suffer thus, contradicting your whole reason for being a vegan in the first place.
Holy shit, so many comments, most of it just pointless arguing (TLDR). Here's my attempt to stop it all. Note: I'm speaking from an omnivore's point of view, but I'm trying to be as objective as I can. Everyone in the Vegan/Vegetarian Vs. Carnivore/Omnivore argument: Personally, I think it's the person's choice to become vegan or vegetarian or carnivore or omnivore, so don't bother trying to get each other to convert one way or the other. In my POV, I do see that the vegetarians and vegans are helping to keep animals alive that they keep eating what they eat, but eventually, that animal will die from old age or gets slaughtered for food for the carnivores and omnivores, or by other means unmentioned. In summary of how I see it, is that vegans/vegetarians' goal is to keep the animal alive and free as much as possible. 58 and 120: So fucking what if she's 14? It's not like any of us can change our age at will, so don't pick on someone because of their age.
WOW!! Seriously? They have linked more health problems to fruits and vegetable that were not properly harvested or had pesticides on them that were not suppose to be harmful to people! You are an idiot! You know how humans have those canine teeth? It's because we are suppose to eat meat! We need meat in our diet to be healthy.
Being a vegan will never change how animals are treated. Your eating habits have zero effect on the meat industry. If you think otherwise, grow up. If you truly feel your cause is just (for the record, I LOVE a good steak and hunt regularly) then go out there and DO something to fight for your cause! in other words, stop being a PUSSY ( I live in Monroe Ohio and own multiple firearms, please come "drop kick my ass") and do something other than whine on FML!
Compare our cecum to the size or other herbivores. There is no comparison between them when looking at Anatomy and Physiology. If we were suppose to be strictly herbivores, the cecum would be four times the size! (or more) The cecum is what causes horses to colic and is used mainly in the digestion of things like grass.
Ninjacat, I've been veggie for about 10 yrs & I've heard it all! I'm much older than you, don't let people get to you! Like you, I'm all for animal rights! ignore people that insult you! Its not all about not eating meat, it's about helping animals, too! People don't get that!
Meh, what can we expect from someone who's too stupid to use the word "through" instead of "threw". OP, you're a dumbass.
Actually the Op was saying they were half way done eating the soup not that they were throwing the soup so their use of the word "through" is correct. If you are going to be a grammar nazi at least have the brain cells to do it properly and not correct someone else's grammar that was correct to begin with. #10 is a dumbass