By jhulich - 24/12/2013 20:48 - Sweden - H?gersten
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You're missing the point "sir" you are thread jacking by expressing an opinion unrelated to the original comment for the purpose of it being seen. A normal comment would be somebody commenting on the comment that starts the thread or has to do with the existing conversation in said thread. You know... Just a little FYI incase you didn't know you were doing something that gets frowned upon
Comparing autism and alcoholism is just wrong. Alcoholics overcome alcoholism everyday, however one cannot just overcome autism with pure willpower. Comparing the two takes away some of the responsibility from the alcoholic which just gives them a crutch to use when quitting becomes tough.
Alcoholism is an addiction... Therefore it is considered a mental illness. Same as drug addicts, don't be so quick to say mommy didn't have self control. Quitting any addiction is extremely difficult and while the mom can be held accountable by the law, the aunt should be held accountable for being a complete tool.
I'm with you 47. Addiction, in my opinion, is not a disease. You don't choose to have autism or cancer. You choose to pick up a drink or a pipe or a syringe. It is about mental strength and will power. OP's mother should've told her sister hell no, because if she really is a recovering alcoholic, she ought to have known she can't control her drinking. With that, I return to my white russian. Merry Christmas everybody!
Autism and alcoholism being compared as the same thing. Holy fuck, with that logic we really should blame video games for all the violence in the world. Addiction is bad yes and people who have their addictions have to fight them every day but comparing that to someone with autism. You're a fucking tool.
They're (alcoholism and autism) obviously very different things, but they're both very serious illnesses (addiction IS classified as an illness) and alike in that they're impossible to "cure" with something like willpower alone. The biggest difference is obviously that alcoholics usually choose to pick up that first drink, and those born with conditions such as autism are usually, well, /born/ with it. I don't think anyone was really saying they're the same thing, but more like that when it's to the point of addiction, alcohol addiction is just as hard/impossible to cure as a mental illness. You can't simply will away autism or depression or even a broken leg. It takes will power, yes, but also time, energy, money, etc, and even then sometimes it can't be cured, only managed. Sorry for the novel but I wanted to weigh in. Condolences, OP. I hope you and your family manage to have a good christmas (away from your horrible aunt) anyway.
Alcoholism isn't curable with willpower?? Ummm yes it is. Most recovering alcoholics say it's all about Will power. They have to make and adhere to the decision to never pick up a drink again. Comparing the two is a fucking insult, I have alcoholics in my family and an autistic cousin, they are totally different things. And I will reiterate, you are a fucking tool if you think there is any sort of comparison.
I'm saying this as an alcoholic myself... You're wrong. It is insanely difficult to overcome, but it is all still a CHOICE, not a disease. She chose to drink, from her first to her last. Blaming the aunt is honestly somewhat similar to holding Budweiser commercials responsible because it put thoughts in her head. No one is saying it's easy... Alcoholism is an evil thing, and I'm lucky that I got out alive, and I fight for that every day, but I would be DAMNED if I set foot in a bar, unless I had decided that I would drink again!!!!
For the moment, I'm going to speak as someone with an incurable disease. Life is hard. I didn't chose this, I didn't have a choice. I didn't bring this on myself. Depression is a daily battle and I hate life. Now I'm going to speak as someone who has struggled with addiction. It was my choice in the beginning, but now I need it. It takes everything I have to walk away, and sometimes I can't. It's not my choice anymore, it's a sickness, a physical need to have it, whether it's smoking, drinking, sex, drugs, etc. Two sides to every damn story
Addiction is difficult to break. That being said, I have successfully quit smoking. It took many tries, many tears, many clenched fists and short tempered days where all I wanted to do was scream or yell at even my loved ones because of the withdrawals and stress. That being said. I quit. It wasn't a disease. It wasn't like autism where I could CHOOSE (DESPITE the difficulties). I told myself I don't want the negative outcomes of smoking anymore - and I chose another path. Despite the DESIRE to smoke, despite the EASE of smoking, despite the pain, tears, and frustration. It wasn't easy. No it wasn't easy. It's not supposed to be. Telling an addict that they are powerless over their addiction is the #1 way to get that addict back into their addiction. That's bullshit and frankly hurting society as a whole. It's not about willpower, it's not about it being a disease. It's about patience, learning to be okay with the desire (that will never really ever go away), and learning to walk a different path. Stop blaming the brain. Stop blaming your genetics. Stop blaming external factors. The minute an addict truly takes responsibility, they have the power to quit. The minute you give them an excuse to continue their behavior, they will continue.
What a bitch, I'm so sorry OP
The aunt should be the one in jail. What a cunt.