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Unfortunately alot of people associate religion with culture. But so long as she isn't oppressing or hurting anyone I guess you could let her have her beliefs

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I don't really see why this is getting thumbed down. That version in some ways does makes more sense, as it explains why Jewish children don't get presents as opposed to good vs. bad children. But if your grandma says things like this, OP, I'm sure it's not an isolated incident, so FYL and good luck getting through this week!

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#10, because Hanukkah Harry brings the toys to the Jewish kids. Haven't you ever seen Saturday Night Live? They explain the whole thing.

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That a fat man in a red suit flies around the world in a sleigh pulled by flying reindeer, going down the chimney of every child's house in the world, giving presents to good children and coal to bad children, all in one night.

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Or if you want to get historically technical, he's a mythical version of Saint Nicholas, the Catholic saint of children and sailors.

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26 the real Santa has been disputed for a very long time, but he is a mixture of several different people who all gave gift to good children pulled from several different pagan rituals that were pulled together by the pope to make the conversation to Christianity easier by having similar rituals as their pagan worship. In the 1920 coco cola adopted "Santa" as an icon for the soda and made him the icon we all know today. I know that I am probably gonna get thumbed down or corrected but

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Well everyone can have their own thoughts about the meaning of the holiday. For people who aren't religious (like me), it could just simply be a holiday to spend with people you love. However, for people who are religious, it could mean something completely different. Everyone has their own interpretation of it.

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No, 45, while a lot of different Christmas traditions come from the Winter Solstice (including the December 25th date) Santa Clause isn't one of them. He's based on Saint Nicholas, like I said, and he's been part of December celebrations since long before Coca Cola used him in their advertising.

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69-you've just won the Internet in my books. Bravo. The trophy is being made and the parade is next week. Regardless of who you are or anything else, this is your greatest accomplishment ever. Prepare your victory speech.

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#55: #45 isn't saying that the person, Santa Claus, was invented by the Coca-Cola Corporation; she's saying that we recognize Santa's current image based on Coca-Cola's marketing strategy back in the 1920s (red and white suit, white beard, fat and jolly). Of course, they didn't invent Santa Claus; they just updated his outfit. That's like thinking Coca-Cola invented polar bears because they drink Coca-Cola and wear scarves in their commercials.

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No, Christ's birth was moved to December 25th to fall with the pagan festival of saturnalia to make to conversion to Christianity more appealing. In the bible Jesus said "do not celebrate my birth, but my death" I don't remember the verse or the book, because my bible is currently packed away. But Christmas really doesn't have anything to do with Jesus.

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#33. I'm starting to get sick of explaining this to people on here... but here we go again lol. Christmas came about in the year 601 AD(or CE if you swing that way) as a Christian festival under Pope Gregory I. He sent a letter to the abbot Mellitus (who was on a mission to England at the time) explaining that to help with conversion, the Pagan festivals should be brought into Christianity and 'edited' to suit the new religion. This is actually in direct contradiction to the Bible, which sta

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51, Except there aren't exactly a lot of Pagans around anymore, so if it hadn't been for Christians choosing December 25th to celebrate Christ's birth, the date would have ceased to have any popular significance at all.

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54, I never heard that Santa was supposed to be Odin. Every historical explanation I ever heard or read is that he's Saint Nicholas, the Catholic saint of children and sailors.

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#57- There are enough of us out there, my grove alone is expecting thirty plus for Yule. Granted, all the modern pagans I know celebrate on the twenty-first, so you do have a point about the twenty-fifth.

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#Saint Nicholas is one of many explanations. It certainly explains his name. However the resemblance to Odin (for the pre Coca Cola Santa that is) is far too striking to rule him out. Especially considering that the Pagan festival of Yule was massive in Scandinavian countries. Santa Claus goes round each year at Christmas giving presents to good children in Stockings. Traditionally, Odin also did that at Yule. Santa has 8 reindeer - Odin has an 8 legged horse. Santa originally rode a hors

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65, Have a happy Yule. :) I hope I didn't offend you. It wasn't my intention to trivialize modern Pagans, just to point out that it's Christmas that's more widely celebrated.

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None taken, we're very much in the minority especially once you start dividing by tradition, pantheon or organization. Certainly no argument on the subject of Christmas either. Where Yule is primarily a religious holiday,Christmas is both religious and secular. It's bound to have a larger draw.

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Technically, Christ was born in March, so Easter would be closer to his actual birthday than Christmas. On top of that, Christianity has a tendency to steal other pagan holidays, make them their own, and then get offended when people lose the meaning of Christmas.

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lies. i live with 5 pagans, and know about 10 more. just because you don't know any pagans doesn't mean there aren't any. we're actually growing in number rather rapidly. EDIT: this was to #57

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#77. Although unclear that's what I was trying to imply with the first two sentences. The name was probably added to him a lot later than his first appearance in an effort to Christianise him. So having a Saint Nicholas/Odin hybrid actually makes a lot of sense. And if anything, is the most likely source for Santa. But the actual description of who Santa is and what he does, is clearly Odin (at least in my opinion amongst others).

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To 51: I believe the verses you are looking for are: “ [Jesus] took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them (his disciples) saying, 'This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me" (Luke 22:19) And “A name is better than good oil, and the day of death than the day of one’s being born.” (Ecclesiastes 7:1) Note however that Jesus does not forbid the celebration of his birth. He merely says it’s important (or more important) to celebrate his death. To 54: I’m actuall

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33- Actually, it was originally a Pagan holiday stolen by the Christians to make the transition from Paganism to Christianity easier.

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98, I never lied. I said there weren't MANY Pagans anymore, not that there aren't any at all. I actually went to middle school and high school with a Pagan, so, yes I know that there are still some out there, although their numbers pale in comparison to those who practice other religions. Please see comment #68. I'd also appreciate an apology from you for arbitrarily accusing me of lying.

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No kidding challan^ don't forget the delicious home made cookies! I hear they're to die for.

Don't try to argue with her. You know how they say by engaging with a troll you automatically loose. Same goes for religious fanatics and dishevelled elders.

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