By take a fucking seat, gran - 14/12/2013 22:05 - United States - Fullerton
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63, really you need some real education in history! I am shocked people still believe that, that aren't over 80 years old! Grow up, there really are religions older than yours! The two biggest days of your "Christian" religion were taken from paganism to make it easier for them when they were forced into Christianity.
The Christians put their own holiday on the same day as another religion's holiday and kept some of the traditions? My, what horrible people. Sounds like the kind of people who rape and murder a woman for having sex outside of marriage. Or for trying to get an education. Or for walking outside without a male family member. Oh wait, that's the Muslims. The Christians just try to make people better. They're sooooo horrible. When was the last time a Christian killed a non-Christian for the sole reason that they weren't a Christian?
89: Did I ever deny that there are religions older than mine? In fact Christianity stemmed from Judaism, which is far older. I also never denied that there was another holiday on December 25, rather, I explained what Christmas it. It even has Christ in the holiday, it's hard to argue that it isn't about Christ. Before attacking someone on internet over a comment in which you obviously didn't understand, you should probably reread it.
#106 christmas was set to dec 24/25 (depending on country) to take over the ancient roman festival saturnalia, which was celebrated from dec 17 to dec 23, in honor of the deity saturn, and the turn in solstice.. also on dec 25 they celebrated sol invictus, the birthday of unconquerable sun.. so really take your pick, but it is not christmas, because it "has christ in it", its just convenient theiving of ancient holidays.. happy fucking x-mas, right?
To be perfectly honest, the Christmas tree is actually adopted from Germanic pagan traditions and there is no proof that Jesus was born on December 25th. She has a valid point.
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Actually, I believe the Christmas tree is an evolution of the wreath, which used to represent the rings of Saturn during the Winter Solstice. That would make it a post-paganism addition, as is the star or angel placed at the top to represent what guided people to the place where Jesus was born. However, you are correct that the first Christmas tree was German, and that Jesus wasn't born on December 25th.