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It's NOT creepy in the slightest. A proper pulmonary exam should not be masked by restrictive clothing which can not only muffle sounds but also restrict movement of the chest. Not only should a doctor watch your breathing, he should do it BEFORE listening. And to do a full exam he should percuss too (tap on the chest), but I'm sure everyone here would consider that malpractice and advise her to sue, right?
OP can still cover herself with the bra, can't she? Just hold it up after undoing the back.
DocBastard, I'm gonna sue you for what you just said. Now, where do you live again? South Amefricaustraleurope?
Is he attractive? Wdhe
Is he attractive? Maybe OP has a secret fantasy! **
I agree. Either the doctor gets bitched at for being inappropriate or for not diagnosing or missing something in his exam. Its a lose-lose situation. A female nurse should have to be present otherwise shit like this will just keep happening.
87&89: Although that's a great idea, to have an RN in the room when an MD is doing an assessment, it's not realistic. The reason being, RNs have so many pts to care for, and to use their time witnessing an MD perform an assessment, whether it be head-toe or specific assessments, is just a waste of precious time they could be using elsewhere.
why does it need to be an RN why can it not be a EEN or an EN?
Where I work, if the doctor asks for a chaperone, they get one but I don't think a respiratory assessment requires a chaperone. OP was asked to undo her bra presumably to listen to her lungs from her back, bra straps would hinder that.
C'mon docbastard, lets be serious... As a surgeon, I'm sure the last time you actually held a stethoscope was intern year. This situation is a classic outpatient primary care visit scenario... Something a typical trauma surgeon probably doesn't do. And yes. Having an MA in the room would make the physical exam less "awkward", And she doesn't have to be there for the entire visit. The physical exam on a typical visit is a max of 3 mins, which is usually pushing it. Also, it's possible OP is wearing much more constricting clothing, has excess soft tissue, denser clothes, or specific pulmonary symptoms that requires a more precise exam. Or the doc is just a pervy prick of a physician with a palate for perky.... pumas.
Dalink - For the record, the last time I used a stethoscope was yesterday. And I plan to use one today as well. I have to know if patients have breath sounds to see if they have a collapsed lung, for example. And ALL of my patients are completely disrobed. You know what they say about assumptions...
I'm probably missing something here, but, from the sound of it I'm guessing OP is a younger girl who's growing and probably had a bra that was too tight or friends who don't have a large chest. My ex had a large chest and the one time I drove her to the docs she handed me her bra before she went in because she didn't want to deal with it inside, she said she always had to undo it for her physicals.
what is your picture of?????? *-*
Very odd, creepy and just plain unethical. Report his ass
I agree this is very creepy. I'm going out on a limb, thinking that maybe OP is big chested? If her bra is too small and is on way too tightly, it would cause her to not be able to take deep breaths. But he didn't have to ask her to take off her bra. He should have just brought it to her attention.
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It's not that odd or creepy. Her bra might have been a style where the strap blocks where his stethoscope needs to be. My boobs are, well, huge; I was a D-cup by 11th grade. My doctor has to have me hold them up to listen to my lungs and heart under them, and she's a hetero friend of mine.
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42, why do you need to let everyone know what size you were? Was it necessary?
My jealously meter dials up to a 7.5 here, boys. We got a live one!
49 is right. It's an example of how doctors sometimes need to ask us to do awkward things because of our differing body types. I'm not looking for attention, just trying to make OP feel more comfortable about her doctor.
Do not report the doctor. He was doing his job. You may have been big chested or the bra type may have covered an area where he needed to listen or he may have heard something in the upper lung and needed to check it further.
Next time just ask for a nurse to be present and try wearing a different style of bra.
Or get an appointment with a female doctor..
#2 she doesn't need to report him. Many doctors ask their patients to undress etc! Read DocBastards reply to #1. Ive had nurses and doctors ask me to become fully nude to examine me etc. Don't be so quick to judge the doctor just because his procedure may have been different from the other ladies. Also having a RN in the room etc can be allowed to protect the doctors reputation for situations like this. Where some people who dont understand normal doctor procedures cant say they were "violated". Im not saying it doesnt happen but I am saying its better to always be 100% sure opposed to not. You can seriously ruin a doctors life for no reason.
Maybe she really was just wearing a really tight constricting bra? Idk, people tend to scream sexual harassment about just about everything nowadays. I'd have to hear his side before making a judgment.
The Doc always asks me to take my shirt off so he can get a better reading, without clothing noises. Pretty sure he's not hitting on me, I've known him for 25 years. I think a lot of the issue here is young women that are so sexualized that they think of everything in a sexual connotation and assume everyone in the world is trying to get in their pants.
#138 - as an RN you should know how to perform a proper respiratory assessment. I was taught to auscultate directly on the skin, to not have any clothing between the patient and the stethoscope. As an ED nurse and an asthma/COPD educator I do many respiratory assessments which involve patients removing their clothing. You come into the ED I work in and the first thing you're asked to do is remove your clothes and put on a gown. As a fellow RN I'm embarrassed that you think its inappropriate for OP to unclasp her bra for her doctor to auscultate AND if you look at OP'S user name, it would imply she went to her doctor for a respiratory ailment!
Actually it is for almost all doctors doing breathing check ups, some don't but most of them do that to get a accurate reading
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Naughty naughty patient ;)
That's really creepy, I hope you don't see that doctor anymore!
It's not creepy, as a lot of people have said a tight bra needs to be undone to be able to perform the assessment correctly. I've always been asked to undo or take mine off, it's not unusual either.
I don't find that weird at all, my doctor always does that. What's weird is that he only did it with you.
Maybe OP was wearing a tight bra that is constricting her lungs, but none of her friends are.
I've had my doctor do that too. I have a slight heart murmur and my doctor just wanted to hear it better. But if you're not comfortable with you doctor, OP switch and get one that doesn't make you feel awkward around. (:
My first thought too.
My doctor has always done that as well, it just means you wear your bra tighter than your friends do
All of you who agree this is ok probably have large breast.
I'm a guy so..
walk out of the room asking the nurse of what happen,, make it really awkward for the doctor
Considered that maybe your bra was tighter than your friends? Don't always jump to the worst conclusion.
Why? What malpractice took place?
I always find that the people who have the "lawsuit" mentality are, how should I put this, less than classy.
And we wonder why prescriptions, doctor visits, ER visits, etc. are high. This is not even close to a reason to sue. People are too quick to victimize themselves.
Actually this is fairly common. When in a jhonny you're not even supposed to be wearing a bra but doctors let it slide. You probably are wearing the wrong bra size like most women and it is probably cutting into you. Your friends either take their bra off, are liars, or don't have such a tight band.
Well to be fair, a properly fitted bra is supposed to fit snugly around the ribcage, so the cup size could be properly chosen... not that it should cause that Pillsbury Doughboy effect and restrict your breathing, but snug enough for a visibly trim fit.
Yeah, most girls with ill-fitting bras have it too big so it rides up to their shoulders and then end up getting too small cups to compensate.
Yes! I feel so sorry for them because I was like them... They just need to be informed. Getting properly fitted changed my life! No more horrifying back pain and posture.
Calm your **** #167, women are not hard done by when it comes to fashion, shop somewhere else and you'll find a comfortable fit. Try a different fabric, a different style etc... There's plenty of choice.
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just creepy. change doctors and take appropriate action.
Considered that maybe your bra was tighter than your friends? Don't always jump to the worst conclusion.