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Yeah, part of being a lawyer is finding ways to defend people who are the scum of the earth. That's why they make the big bucks
Honestly I think people can say or do whatever they want as long as theyre not forcably disturbing other people with it which is what the whitesboro church is doing
They are far worse than trolls. Even trolls say, "what a fucking troll!" when talking about them. There is being a troll, and then there is scum, then there are the extremists, then there is the west burrow baptist church. It's one this thing to speak your mind, it's another thing to go to the funeral of people who gave their lives for our country and of the people who disagreed with them and completely try to deface the memory of that person, especially to the family members of the person! I would be fine with taking away the freedom of speech from these people when they are near a funeral. Until they can even show the tiniest amount of respect for people mourning the loss of a loved one, no matter how much I may have disagreed with the person who passed over what they stood for, I will never give that church the tiniest bit of respect. I'm an atheist and respect almost all beliefs, but even I believe there is a special part of hell reserved for these people.
So far the only sin I've observed in this world is religion. It's worse than cancer, it spreads and slows down the process of science/humanity. Look at history, most wars/human made tragedies have had religious motives. Go ahead and thumb me down for pointing out the obvious.
86: They picket the funerals of soldiers, yelling hateful slurs and holding up bright signs. They are definitely disturbing people with their protests. The one good thing George W. Bush did was pass a bill stating that protests would not be allowed near any funeral at any time. They constantly break this law, and people are too afraid to fight back for some strange reason.
The thing is, someone did fight back. A Friend of my dad's is a gold star mum. They showed up to her son's funeral. Her ex husband tried to sue the WBC and make a point that what they were doing was wrong. The supreme court decided that the WBC was within their rights. And now he has to pay all of their legal fees and stuff from the suit.
Oh shit son, im sorry but hitler and stalin went after... JEWS, wich then Escalated. Science and religion go together like water and oil. They stay together for a little then seperate. Religion IS the biggest cause of war in all of history, some people just hide their motivations, the other is stupid people. I was raised aroun religion, but i also read a few history books. So please shut the fuck up and try to resist bobbing for onion rings. Im sorry but i hate stupid people...
Ok, I promise I'll only say this to the atheist above: Unfortunately, you are correct in that it slows things down. Why religion and science/social tolerance don't coexist is beyond me. Me, my mom, and my dad are all Catholic, but none of us believe that hating gays will ever do any good, if you like men, well ok then. I just don't see what people get so upset about. It is sad to see how my brother's psycho ex-girlfriend converted him to this new, more conservative Christianity. He used to be ok with the whole gay thing as well. Now he's all "well in the Bible it says..." And I facepalm every time. My family hopes that he'll come back around, once he puts two and two together that she used religion to justify her wrongdoings. But I will suggest this, to objective atheists: 1.Sit through a Catholic mass 2. Now sit through a mass at one of those popular "bible churches". You will notice that, while the Catholics preach heavily about character, and being a good person, the majority of these "bible churches" only preach about accepting God into your life. Ok, so I have, now what? Does this mean I can go kill people? According to my brother, "well you shouldn't want to, but you will go to heaven either way." umm WHAT?! Whereas in my sphere of belief, killing people/doing similar bad things is going to send you to hell. "...and that's all I have to say, about that." -Forrest Gump
116 & 152: If you think religion is the cause of all wars then you don't know much about history; the reason is almost always resources or politics--and it's usually both. Warmongers frame their causes religiously in order to garner support, but when it comes down to it, temporal problems (like war) always have temporal causes. ...So quit being stupid, and try thinking critically one in a while.
Probably the only time I'll defend something I wrote... In the army you train in an MOS and regardless if you're infantry(as I was) or you support the infantry you are referred to as a soldier. In the marines, all are full combat trained first and earn the right to become a Marine. If you doubt the validity of my words, you go ask a Marine who is no longer active if he(or she) is a "former" marine. There is a difference. Anyone who earns a dishonorable discharge is the only person you can call a former marine. If you've never served, or been related to one who served, you wouldn't know.
Personally I think people get so caught up in the debate of science OR religion that they totally overlook the fact that the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive. I expect a lot of contrary belief on this but if you really think about it, and keep an open mind, each can actually validate the other.
169: You can't just pull statistics out of thin air, you need something to back them up. I'm religious, and I couldn't care less about what other people think of my beliefs. Retaliating with a fake statistic that's meant to offend seems childish. Agree to disagree.
199- When Christians say that God will provide/take care of you it mostly means that he'll help you overcome your difficulties but you also have to put in some effort to it. You can't expect everything to be handed to you though. Your father took that teaching literally. It's like saying the good Samaritan left the guy on the ground because "God will take care of him." You're supposed to help others and help yourself. Your father was just an asshole. God could have made it so you didn't make it no matter what, but you were made to do something so he protected you. In that case God took care of you and made it so you lived. But your mom had to do something besides pray so that you could live. I hope the reason you're atheist is not because of your father because you need to learn more about Christianity before judging it.
157- So...basically what you are saying is Christianity Church< Catholic Church? That could be a little biased, dont you think? Ive seen many amazing "bible churches" who do amazing things around the world (ie: building wells in africa+many other things) and around the community. The sermons (i have to listen to because of parent issues) are mostly centered around what you said Catholic churches are centered around (how to be a good person and how to deal with various situations). Now, dont get me wrong, ive seen many outstanding catholic churches also. But you acted like the Catholic church was ok with Gay people, when the hivemind of the church is not. I know the "bible churches" are against it too, but you acted like the Christian church was horrendous, and the Catholic church was soo accepting. Please correct me if im wrong on some of your points.
117, people don't fight back because the WBC knows the law very, very well. They don't picket AT funerals; they picket NEAR them. Nothing they do is unconstitutional, so anyone who tries to sue them loses. Then there are the people who are goaded into attacked them when they're protesting, and then they get charged with assault because since WBC doesn't technically do anything illegal, the attack is considered "unprovoked." Basically they've hit on how to be the most horrible people they can be without actually breaking the law.
Recuse yourself! Conflict of interest! From what I've read from their dispicable website that whole hateful family is full of lawyers. Trust me, unfortunately they will do just fine without you. No need to compromise your morals AND your professional reputation with that scum!
Omg, another non-reader. They agree with you... Please refer to my comment above yours...god, people really don't seem to give a fuck about making sure the person they are yelling at thinks what they really think is going on. Read a comment twice if you are going to respond to it. You just make yourself look stupid...
It's good practice. Lawyers are always going to be forced to defend people whose opinions they don't agree with. Better get used to it now.
Well.... You could start with their people too... Ignorant people. Ignorant people have a right to free speech.
That's a horrible thing to have to do especially as a former marine. They will be all the more impressed with you if you can do a good job subjectively.
#6 and 57, It gets worse: The bigoted pastor also helped publicize the anti-Islamic film/trailer that inflamed strict Muslims and caused anti-American protests around the world, including at the Libyan consulate where the US ambassador, others Americans, and Libyan security forces were killed on 9-11-2012.
Not to mention, two days after the deadly 2008 Sichuan earthquake in China, They issued a press release thanking God for the heavy loss of life, and praying "for many more earthquakes to kill many more thousands of impudent and ungrateful Chinese." These people seriously deserve a rusty needle to the windpipe.
They held a protest at our school and my principle promised free icecream at lunch for a month and 2 weeks of being able to wear jeans and whatever shirt we wanted just so nobody would react to them while they were there. They were rude obnoxious people, one even hit my car with his sign when i was pulling into school.
The Westboro Baptist church retards are all horrible actors looking for attention and money. They aren't out there protesting to defend their religion or bible - the only reason you see them is because they are attention starved morons looking to make a couple dollars from the idiotic bigots whom occupy this nation.
Calling the WBC "retards" is insulting to the mentally handicapped. The WBC are a group of bigots Hell-bent on spreading their own brand of hatred. I honestly hope that some day someone has one of those psychotic moments where they open fire with an AK-47 on a crowd, and that crowd just happens to be the WBC. I'd fight for that psycho's right for open expression.
Those bastards threatened to come to my town to protest a plane crash killing two small girls and their parents.
#66, I seriously hope you're joking because that's when you go to jail for mass murder and make those assholes martyrs. As abhorrent as The Westboro Baptist Church is, they are peaceful and have never physically harmed anyone or even, to my knowledge, threatened to hurt anyone.
they did the same thing to my town. except it was 2 young boys and a girl who was killed in a car crash. said we were killing our youth an we would go to hell for it. it was a freak accident in December when the roads were icy. this isn't the only time theyve threaten our town.
I gotta agree with 66 sometimes its just that time to clean the gene pool. Those idiots wouldn't have the right to protest I it wasn't for the marines. I know they stayed away from my friends funeral in California, if they showed up it would have ended with alot of us former military in jail but I'd tell the judge it was worth it.
Ask to change topics, or just defend their talented opinions of how everything needs to burn in hell, they are evil humans
Asking to change topics would show that he's not suited to being an attorney to almost any law professor. As an attorney you will certainly be asked to defend clients with whom you disagree, and it's actually best to be confronted with that fact sooner in your education than later.