By shit - 13/05/2010 21:00 - United States
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You don't get a ticket for rear ending a cop car, it's like any other car you rear end, other than the driver. Also undercover cops can't issue tickets unless you do something really dangerous like run a redlights with lots of traffic or something. Otherwise they need to be in uniform with a clearly marked car. If not you can ask for one to be called, and they have to do it.
Nope that's the law. You don't have do to ANYTHING they say unless they are in uniform AND have a clearly marked car. It's not hard to fake the uniform that's why the car is required. And undercover cops are on specific assignment, they can't issue tickets because it blows their cover. But if they don't have a clearly marked car, and uniform on. you can sit with your window up and request a marked car. If they refuse you're legally allowed to leave. Unmarked cars aren't even supposed to pull people over. Because any idiot can get a fake light...
I think you guys are confusing the concept of an "undercover officer" and an "officer in an unmarked car" There is a difference. Blue is correct about undercover officers. In fact my roommate who is a fire man busted a meth lab and the undercover officers were required to wear masks the whole time... My roomie got to see them without the masks cause he is in the whole police/fire fighter family and shit, but that was only after the whole ordeal was over and they were back in hiding safely somewhere. A true undercover cop cannot pull you over or do shit without sending for a regular police unit. Unless they wish to blow their cover. You pretty much have to be doing blow off of a strippers titties while rear ending a cop car with a gun on your lap (perhaps with a body in the trunk) before you get to that level. However an unmarked police car is just a cop trying to hide the fact they are a cop and can do any cop shit. At least that is they way it is in most places I have ever lived. Editors note: the above is based on my personal experience, not any real legal background.
That's because you guys don't know the law. It's not that it's illegal for them to do it, but it's that it's legal that you don't have to accept the ticket. They can hide and all that stuff, but if they don't have a clearly marked car and uniform you don't have to do anything they said. That was a very specific part of my law class... And undercover cop is most likely not going to write a ticket because they fuck up their cover.. And unmarked cop would probably issue you a ticket, but again, you don't have to accept it without a clearly marked car and uniform. If you don't know the law, then you don't know what you can and cannot do. It's like when you are getting a ticket, during that time you are technically under arrest. Which is why if you don't sign it, they will bring you to the station and make you wait around all day till the judge will see you. It's basic Law.
Nena, we still race on Westheimer what are you talking about :]. Every friday, sometimes saturday :P. You should come out here and watch us sometime. I only get tickets for speeding, but I've gotten a lot in the past lol. KiddNYC - Yah, those bastards let you get about 15 miles over the limit then they choose to stop ya. I'm telling you, these camouflaged laws out here in Houston are the worst though. Especially at night when you can't really tell. During the day you can kinda see their taillights.
Blue waffle (coconut .. whatever .. same thing *shakes head) - I know the law a lootttt more than anyone else here I just don't go around strutting shit I know. We're all very intelligent human beings in what we know. Everyone is good at something. Turns out you're just good at being an asshole saying you know everything about everything .. Not a bad thing though XD
Not that I give a shit about either of you (no offense) but exactly what was blue doing to come across as such an ass to you? Because it sure didn't seem that way to me. Seemed like a a typical conversation between adults... perhaps you are not familiar with that (directed to whatever 69... )?
Nena, you're right about that. They did slow it down a lot, but when me and my friends race we usually come about 6 cars deep full of people, so we bring it to life most nights :P. You know that Wal-Mart you see if you go waaaay down Westheimer? That's where we meet up most of the time, and we go from there all the way to Katy and back. Hw 6 is a bad spot some nights though, because those laws over there stop you if your car looks "suspicious". I drive a '08 red Nissan Altima with black Akuzas on it, and got stopped for no reason. Now, if you picture that in your head, how does that look suspicious?
Ohh my goodness that sucks! :/ And yes Im getting a car! Whatever piece of crap junker I can afford lol. But my parents are matching whatever I earn and I'm gonna work my ass off this summer so I can get a semi good one. I wanna red truck :) Or a baby blue slugbug :)
144, if they are not in uniform, and don't have a marked car, and refuse to call a uniformed cop in a marked car, then yes you can. If they take you to the station, etc, you just have to say "There was no proof he was a cop and he refused to call a uniformed one with a marked car. I didn't believe him." and you will be good to go. It will be a big pain, but you will not be in trouble. There's a lot of rules for cops, they can't just do whatever they want.
not really idk they told me to sign up for drivers Ed but idk how and then my mom took me driving once and I was horrible I prefer my dads truck cuz you have more control we were in an empty parkingloy and I felt like I was gonna crash I hit the curb like five times but I got decent by five minutes or so though I couldn't turn the blinkers on without getting the wipers so lol I need more practice I think this is a run on sentence but o well.
Uhh I'm not exactly sure. You probably don't have to know anything. And if you do no biggie because you'll learn fast. It's really way easier than it seems when you first get behind the wheel. It also helps to be pushed. Like I was pro at parking lots, but terrified of actual roads. So one day my mom just pulled over and made me drive. I almost had a heart attack but it worked.
eh irdk Raleigh I'm just speaking from experience because one day at night I was entering the mouth of a bridge with my Mazda 6 and so was a corvette(idk the model) and I roared my engine. long story short he roared his... few seconds later I was still at mouth of bridge.... he was 200 yards ahead of me lol sorry if my typing is shit lol
Lmao, wow KiddNYC, thank you for that disturbing bit of info bruh :P. Nena, wouldn't that be something if me and your bro became really cool or something haha. Does he go to the Manhattan campus? Rutgers is in NJ right? It sounds familiar. Well if you're ever in the neighborhood, you should get at me :). And thank you :]
Pshh, me? Worry? Get outta here :P. But yah, it usually is the high ranking schools that have high suicide rates; I guess it's all the stress, I don't know. What unis were those where people were putting nooses on black professors doors? I saw it on a Katt Williams stand up show, and I've been curious as to what schools they were :P.
Jess, most of our police officers are corrupt. I was in a jury trial where the sheriff accused took a young lady to court for "resisting arrest" and "recklessly driving through mild traffic at 1:30 am." I call bullshit on that, I live 10 minutes (driving) from where the incident happened. There has NEVER been traffic in this area AT midnight.
Well Blue/Colin *can* come off kinda braggy occasionally, but I don't think this was one of those times. Well, at least till he started talking about racing ;) Colin is that federal law, and does it *always* override state and local laws? Also, in re: throwing the ticket away-- I'm guessing if you sign the ticket you're obligated to pay, since that's legally accepting it, right? I've heard too that if you're getting pulled over by an unmarked car at night, it's legal to not pull over till you're around people in a well-lighted area. Probably gotta turn your hazards on and slow down though (and I might even try to get through to the agency's dispatch to let 'em know I wasn't fleeing.) I'm paranoid about that stuff; I knew a guy with personality disorders who actually did the whole pretend-you're-a-cop-and-frisk-chicks thing. Went to jail for it, but he ordered his uniform online and bought the bubble at Spencers :o His mistake was not watching out for real cops when he pulled the stunt on main roads-- stupid, since the whole police force knew he was fucked up already.
wrong. ghost cars can inforce the law just as much as a marked car. undercover is misused here. a true undercover cop you would never know about. they wouldn't break cover to deal with an accident. your talking about off duty officers. and your wrong again. they can inforce the law to the same extent. it's more paperwork but your still fckd.
Not "law school" that blue is talking about. They taught my husband same thing when he changed his MOS over. To whoever had question about being pulled over at night - yes, you can drive to a well lit and populated area before you pull over if you are blue lighted. We had the "Blue light rapist" in AR, OK, MS area about 10 years ago when they started enforcing that because some jerk bought a bubble, had a uniform and raped young ladies on dark roads. All of u guys make me feel old - I think I am oldest on thread at 27 haha.
TheIrishJaneD-If you are being stopped by any officer whether it's a marked car or not you are allowed to drive to a safe area and the best thing while doing that is to call 911 and talk to a dispatcher at the same time. Federal law does trump state and local law in some cases but not all. There HAS to be sufficient evidence before a warrant can be issued. No knock warrants are common in drug cases though for officer safety. Hope this helps.
Yay, you responded! Thanks for the info. I live in a tri-state area. In that situation, while I definitely wouldn't pull over right away in two of the states, I know Virginia police don't mess around and tend to be harsher. So I get nervous even though I'm quite the law-abiding driver :)
I don't really think so. about a third of cops I've seen are black and it seems like a lot of time if someone gets a ticket from someone of a different race they pull the race card and call them racist when in reallity they're just doing their job and punishing you for breaking the laws. if you don't like the laws move to Antarctica. Yeah some cops are messed up but not nearly as many as some people seem to think.
I don't agree that about 1/3 of the cops are black... seems to be a fairly even spread to me (i.e. about as many black to white cops as there are black to white ppl in a given area, depending on the area). Blacks are still called a minority for a reason. However I do agree with you about he race card bit. Most cops I have ever dealt with are not too racist (perhaps it is different in South Central LA or some place where I have never lived). However there are cops that do it for the wrong reason. I have the utmost respect for cops who do their job well and with a sense of justice. however to me there is not a piece of scum lower in the world than a cop (or judge or any person of power) who does it for the reason of having power... usually because they are insecure themselves and take it out on others. To me this is much worse of an issue than racist cops, because those types are pricks to anyone and everyone just to bring themselves up. Of course I have issues with authority, so you may wish to disregard my rant. ;)
Agree w/ Ian about the proportional race thing-- that's true in my experience as well. I think cop attitudes really depend on where you live too. Small town cops (or cops in lower crime rate locations, really) have fewer situations to jade them, don't face danger as often, and thus tend to act more "human." Plus they have to live there off the clock too, and small towns can be hell if you're considered a prick all over town :p I'm not making excuses-- true racism does definitely exist in the cop world and it is wrong, period. But the cop culture also tends to breed a lot of false bravado, detached arrogance and feigned authoritarianism-- especially in more violent cities, their lives can depend on staying intimidating and in control. Then the cop gets so used to playing macho that he can't shut it off. I think sometimes that may come off as racist when it isn't.
195 - I live in south central LA and there have been cases where police will just come up with a bullshit of an excuse to stop you or beat the crap out of you--like the inglewood police department. Then there ate the cases where, well lets admit it, ydi. Anyways, I hope to not seem suspicious one of these days cause I always get tense around cops even tho I'm innocent
I didn't mean all or most by far! but... I happen to know of a few instances where it really was a racial thing.. or mistaken race thing, like a guy in the back of a police car in handcuffs going to jail, until the cop finds out he's dark-skinned italian and not hispanic or black. All of a sudden it's "oh, I'm sorry sir! Let me take those cuffs off of you!" Happened to my boyfriend in Florida. So fucked up, I was sickened by the whole thing..