By Joy - 16/06/2010 14:42 - Denmark
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you might think ur a good person for not eating meat, but it just shows you're kind of unintelligent. it's not like you're saving any animals. they will still die, somebody else will just get the meat. you're not helping the world, you're just kinda fucking yourself out of protein O.o
Since your name is Joy, I can only assume you're a girl. In which case he shouldn't have needed to ask, seeing as you should have been in the kitchen already, making sandwiches. Just kidding! No one take that seriously haha. I'm def not a vegan, but I hateeee bacon! yuck! Also taking cellulase (an enzyme needed to digest cellulose, aka plant cell walls) capsules still probably won't put much protein into your diet, just sayin'. PS plants are alive too!
OMG, some of u people are so insensitive! I'm vegetarian, because I feel guilty when I eat the fricken animals! The animals have lives too... Our digestive system is not even made to digest meat! if you go on YouTube and watch the videos of the farmers slaughtering the animals, you WILL feel bad too! It's fricken inhuman! We have minds and hearts, use it!
I'm a vegetarian and I get plenty of protein from beans and legumes. As for eating meat being "natural," caving up animals in spaces too small for them to stand up and turn around is cruel and unnatural. As for the animals " dying anyways," vegetarians reduce demand for meat. As for the op, she has her values nd she's sticking to them. I wouldn't ask someone who's pro- life to give someone an abortion even though I'm pro-choice. She absolutely has the eight tobrefuae to do something that is against her core beliefs.
#136 - Being a vegetarian is actually not as guilt free as you would like to know, for in making vegetarian products, millions of animals each year get killed by combines in the farming process. Technically meat eaters are actually using the meat, while your wheat and soy bean harvest kills are wasted. You aren't saving anything. The animals that get harvested have a brilliant life: They eat, sleep and shit in a field all their lives, lazy days all round. To be restricted by emotion is a weakness. Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20041107084521/http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
163 ummm yes our system is for digesting meat, that is one reason we have canine teeth to tear though meat. animals eat animals so there is nothing wrong with that. and lastly plants are living organisims to, so according to you we shouldn't eat them either unless you are judging their life as less.
why would veggies take cellulase tablets?? surely you break that shit down if you cook the food anyway...and if not, there's we seem to get along with just using as fibre. just sayin.. I'm not vegitarian, and I can empathise with people who are. I should point out that as good a friend an animal can be, it's probably against your dietry welfare to have emotional attachments to it :P. plants are generally better than animals eating full stop. they have different fats (can't distinguish between saturated and unsaturated right now, my brains absolutely dead..?) which cause less fat build up in arteries (atherosclerosis), reducing risk of coronary heart disease. foods like nuts provide alternative protein sources, and depending on how the person feels on eating microorganism waste you can get things like quorn (apparently has a different texture and doesn't taste as good as meat but is soooooo much better in terms of fat and protein intake.). sure guys, it's natural to eat meat. but it's also natural to eat plants aswell, you know, because humans can do both (umm detrivore comes to mind but I KNOW it's wrong :P I'm pretty sure that's 'eats dead matter'. god I need a sugary drink) anyway - health: eating plants>eating animals. taste: plants<animals difference to human system: plants=animals...
ok seriously, i swear nobody on here understands veggieterianism. also while animals eat other animals, animals also eat plants. and to whoever said plants would feel it, plants dont have brains. The people who say veggies are dumb are the dumb ones and should be ashamed for attacking people for a harmless way of life. she didn't want to touch the bacon, probably because she didn't like the idea of touching a dead animal. furtermore, animals eat other animals, so shouldent we? don't a lot of animals eat shit and fuck different speices? people don't seem to realise that animals that eat eachother don't have morals like we do.
So you're implying that all you learned in elementary school (assuming you went to elementary school) about subtraction and addition is false... FYI, if I don't eat an animal, there is going to be one more animal that isn't eaten. It's simple logic. So, yes, she is saving an animal by not eating one. Unless, of course, there is a meat shortage, and all the meat is gone, but you probably don't know what a shortage is since you live in an over-developed country where there seems to be unlimited resources.
64- It is natural to eat other animals, by depriving yourself of doing so, you aren't saving any cows or chickens, they will still be prepared and serve. Normal people are forced to eat two times the normal amount to make up for one vegitarian. Stop the madness and be natural!
312- Animals aren't dumb or unintelligent and they do have thoughts. I eat meat, but I also like the actual animals, such as cows and chickens. They have brains, therefore they have thoughts. And they definitely have feelings. Animals are much better than most people, they don't judge people.
"don't a lot of animals eat shit and fuck different speices?" No. They don't. There are only a few rare cases where animals mate with other species. As for eating shit, there is technically nothing wrong with that, the only reason people don't is because of society and it's hand made standards and morals. And for future reference, if you fail to use proper grammar and spelling you come off as either a whiny zealot or asinine fool.
#328: Animals and Humans can think, but at different levels. Humans have developed more effective brains than animals, we are capable of far more complex thought, animals mainly have more rudimentary thought that is governed by instincts. And some animals are actually judgmental. If you chop off a cats whiskers, it will shy away from going near other cats in fear of being viewed as ugly.
380, there is nothing wrong with her grammar other than not using capitals. You pointed out one thing and decided to attack her on it, but then ignored her main argument completley. If you're going to troll, make sure you don't make yourself look this stupid--it ruins it.
being a vegetarian goes against nature. meat is essential in a person's diet. I feel bad when i hear about animals being slaughtered but you just gotta get over it and realize that humans are using the resources that are at hand to live a healthy life. meat is one of those resources. to me, being a vegetarian is not natural and is actually very weird.
#384 I picked one incorrect point of argument, I don't have to argue against everything. And I have placed factual information in an argument. Using crappy spelling and lack of capitalisation actually does make you look like an asinine fool/whiny zealot. As for lack of grammatical errors, whenever anyone comments on spelling, it is customary to add grammar to the sentence. You however have had a rage against what I have said with no factual information or input into the debate, which is characteristic of trolling.
No, Our system is not! A lot of people die from eating too much meat. And would you say that plants have hopes and dreams? no, not really. would you say that plants have familys? no, not really. the animals know when they are about to die, and then that negative energy goes into their meat, and then when you eat it, it goes into your body. Go watch some animal slaughter videos
You know most of you are killing lives for your own satisfation. You are only killing them because they taste good. And don't say your killing them for your protiens because you get a lot of protiens from food that aren't dead animals. by the way, milk is not a animal. so you get nuts, lentels, milk, cheese, etc.
38 - actually you don't need meat, you need protein, which is found on plenty of other food sources other than meat. Op - he was only asking you to make it, not eat it. I understand you'd much rather not even be near it, but if your dad really did need your help it's kind of rude to just refuse....I hope you at least offered to help with something else while he made it.
@Rawr Lamb (Especially soaked with vinegar and salt) tastes FAR better than nuts. I'll pay that part. Please tell me that "Negative Energy" is me hallucinating. Because if it's not and you aren't high. You. Are. Retarded. In. Ways. That. Are. Difficult. To. Explain. PS. Link me some slaughter videos.
Animals don't have hopes or dreams, they just live. To get milk, cows still have to be stored in a farm. Your "Guiltless Grill" still causes death by combines. Your kills are just wastefull, we eat our kills. And I seriously want a response here, slaughter vids and definition of "Negative Energy"
Before the human race began to eat meat, we would spend all day looking or fruits, roots, and other gatherable objects. Then, once we began to eat meat, which provides 3 times more energy than plants for the same amount, we began to have spare time to create tools and evolve our species.
I will also reiterate what I said earlier but was moderated due to me sourcing my information. Because of your vegetarian diet, millions of animals are killed as a result of combine harvesting in wheat and soy farms. You haven't saved anything. The kills from your diet are wasted, just left there which if we'll use this "Negative Energy" that comes from being slowly crushed underneath a 2 tonne vehicle, it will enter the plants and still enter you.
Considering the... physical state of many non-vegetarians, mainly those with heavy penchants for fast food, it's unlikely that you're physically able to claw your way to the top of anything. On the other hand, what your comment lacks in realism, it does make up in enthusiasm, I'll admit.
163- No body cares. It is very natural to eat meat. To be a modern human implies being an omnivour, able to eat both veggies and meat. People will eat meat no matter what you say or what you do to yourself and others. The number of animals set to be slaughtered will always be predetermined and is likely to increase forever. If you really want to be sad, try watching a baby sea lion starve to death in the wild and you can't do anything about it.
To everyone who says if a certain number starts refusing to eat meat will decrease the amount of meat ordered, your perception of supply and demand is misguided. Farmers breed animals each year for future meat. The number is not predetermined, but the farmer tries to get the most capacity. He then sells the herds at a price determined by market. The price depends on demand but the farmer will still sell that set amount. Therefore all you can do is determine the profit margin of farmers trying to make honest earnings. Thanks for trying to ruin someone else's livelyhood. Go QQ somewhere else.
#256 : I'm gona take a wild guess and say you don't have any idea of the amount of drugs given to the animals you eat, mostly due to the very unhealthy environment they are in. Moreover, when you drink milk, eat meat, etc, you also eat some leftovers of those drugs. So, unless it's organic meat, enjoy your pills. Don't get me wrong : I eat meat, and enjoy the taiste. I just don't pretend it's healthy when it's not. I'm also aware that, in way to many cases, industry practices are so bad it would qualify as animal abuse if the animals were pets. And that's just hypocritical to be concerned about abuse for pets and not for other animals able to feel.
110- plants do not feel anything, they do not have the right nerve cells if any at all, but some could have cells that release poison when they are damaged, such as fruit that, when bruised, secrete a chemical, brown in colour that kills bacteria, and I think some fungi too.
380 i'm on my ipod and that was really late last night so i am sorry and 384 thanks but im a dude :) back to 380 yes thats what i'm saying, the whole animals eat other animals arguement is stupid, we have built our society up to have morals. also if you think that it's only on rare occasions that animals fuck other speicies then you should have seen my pets :P but yeah, i'm not veggitarian but i know people who are and alot of them are ten times smarter than the people on here and to hear people on here say "veggies are dumb" and stuff like that really annoys me. and another reason for my bad grammer: ive just had English exams, i still need time to recover :P
Using a phone instead of the superiority of the keyboard, I'll pay that. I agree, people who say "veggies dum" are retarded and are a black stain on the human race as a whole. It goes back to my previous comment of Zealots and Asinine fools. On another note, I fail to see what convinced the mods to moderate my first comment where I introduced the fact animals still get killed due to vegetarian food habits. Pathetic, moderating a true fact (Even Sourced.) but not any of the pathetic crap that gets posted in my opinion, but that's beside the point.
328: Animals can definitely be judgemental. You're telling me you've never met a spiteful pet, particularly a spiteful cat? Why do male birds, like peacocks, get beautiful markings and perform elaborate rituals to attract mates? And what about the pack species that'll kick out old or infirm members to scavenge or die alone? No warm-and-fuzzy Disney behavior there. Only (some) domesticated animals don't judge people; to the rest, we're either deemed predator or prey. 380: Fucking isn't the same as breeding/mating. Never seen a dog hump a human leg? It's a dominance thing. The whole "animals eat animals, so we should too!" argument isn't valid in this case. Animals will also eat their own species, and in some cases, people. Should we eat humans too, because sharks do? Animals also eat shit (my SIL's dog loves "sandy treats" from her cat's litter box). Should we put on bibs and belly-up to the litter box? *shudder* For the recorder (teehee) I'm an omnivore who prefers to eat more fresh fruits and veggies than meat. I don't really care if someone else is a vegetarian; just understand that if I don't share your beliefs, I'm not going to live your lifestyle. I don't judge people by their diets, and don't care to be judged by mine. I respect people who live out their convictions, because I live out mine. I'm just pointing out argument flaws, for da lulz.
they aren't judgmental, they have survival instincts. so ofcourse they don't want a lame mate he would slow them down and put them in more danger. animals eat animals is valid because we are animals and are at the top of the food chain. and to the evolutionists who thinks we didn't have "sharp" teeth, even if we came from monkeys, have you seen a wild monkey in person? they don't look kind and have very sharp teeth. meat is protien, protien is energy. meat has more protien, thus more energy, than plants. so if you are active you need more energy so eating meat fat won't make you fat because you use the energy. ps fat is just stored energy to be used when your body needs it, and if you don't use your protiens that you eat it turns to fat, stored energy.
Sigh... 1. Animals can be judgmental. Abuse your pet for a while and see what happens. 2. Evolutionists don't believe humans descended from monkeys, they believe that humans and primates SHARED a common ancestor. 3. Just how far back in evolution do you intend to go to support your argument? Amoebas didn't have sharp teeth either, but they did eat "meat" such as it existed several billion years ago.
FYL because your husband is oblivious to things like that. But even though your a vegetarian you wont even touch meat? isn't that alittle bit far?
Exact same thing as saying you can't just HAVE to force your children to be unnatural omnivores just because you are. Anyone who has studied it and knows the reasons for herbivorous human consumption sees it clear as day. You wouldn't touch the meat of a human being anyway. Once you know the truth, going back is pointless and insane.Espexcially if it's something you truly believe, a little bit like a religion, you would have weak reason to not raise your kids upon i
That's why you give kids meat and see if they like it enough. And people touch human flesh all the time. I mean, doctors and all. And it's extremely natural to eat meat, since humankind has done it since they existed. Animals do it as well. I don't mind people being vegetarian or vegan, I do mind them making lame ass excuses. Also: I'm one of the few girls actually feeling an aversion for jewelry. I don't even like to touch it. But still I do, because it's fucking normal.
you don't like touching meat.....hmph....you'll make someone a great wife some day