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By its ok to cheat!? / Wednesday 20 February 2013 21:52 / United States - Brisbane
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Maybe they weren't grading based solely on the answers. If it was math, the teacher could be marking the work done. See, even if you had the answers, it wouldn't matter if you didn't know how to do the actual work. It's the only way I know to explain it.. Our math textbooks had answers in the back so we had to show the work we did to get the answers or else it wouldn't count.

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I thumbed down because I worked hard and studied my butt off to graduate. You can't take that away from me or anybody because you just finished watching animal house. A lot of drinking happens at college, I'll give you that, but that's not all that happens.

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i agree with you, i changed my major and i'm working my butt off to get to where i need to be (i'm a sophomore, i've switched my major from speech pathology to rehabilitative sciences), i'd rather stay in college for a longer time than take the quick and dirty road :P

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61- so you'd rather a completely publicly-funded college? Tell me more about how A) the nation can afford this and B) it won't just end up like lots of other public schools: shitty.

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My public school is one of the best in the nation and kicks most private schools ass when it comes down to it. Just pointing out that not everything publicly run is shitty.

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Most state schools are pretty good. Also, just because there's lots of partying and drinking doesn't mean that there's not a lot of hard work and studying. Perhaps it's the luck of the draw, but most college education is meaning full. Now I'm not going to argue about whether the high price is worth it. That's a completely different discussion.

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61, Last I checked, it's difficult to get a job even after graduating because of the American economy right now. It's pointless for a business to spend thousands of dollars training a new hire when they could just promote from within. Also It depends on the degree you obtain as well, and prior experience with jobs. Also, I've been told that you can defer loan payments until you get a job (not sure how true this is, or what the catch is). And lastly, global warming is not a scam. I'm not an environmentalist, but between the amount of fossil fuels being burned daily and the Earth's natural processes the Earth's climate is changing. Just look at the Ozone over Antarctica. The Earth doesn't burn holes into the Ozone layer last I checked.

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I hate a degree in Psychology which I consider a science, but I sure you will argue otherwise. I rarely partied and drank only on special occasions, I studied my butt of eared my degree. How dare you trivialize that.

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I am attending a state university full time, I am a student ambassador, I hold a 25 hour a week job and pull off a 4.0. How do I have a 4.0? I work my @ss off studying and doing my work. I go to class and don't drink or party. The difference I will be making after I am done with college compared to if I didn't go is considerable: I will be getting a major in computer science with a minor in biology followed by medical or dental school. It's not a scam! McDonald's or be an Oncologist? Hmmm...

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Exactly! Why have a test if the teacher is going to help the class cheat? This is why kids are not learning things they need to know. This is also one of the reason we are graduating kids who can't hardly read or write. The teacher needs to be fired

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You ask what's the point of giving a test with the answers? My answer: rebellion. I had a HS per calc teacher who was pissed off at the district for forcing him to give us a final exam when he felt it wasn't necessary. So in an act of rebellion, he gave us a practice exam the day before which we went over in class and he gave us all the answers. The exam was open book, and therefore we got to use our practice exam. The exam was EXACTLY the same as the practice one. He literally gave us all the answers to the test as a 'fuck you' to the school. He was such an awesome teacher! Hes in a band (drummer) rode a motorcycle, had a ponytail, I think was a stoner... But he was a genius at math.

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My math textbook has answers in the back so I can solve the problem, check if I'm right, then if I'm not, go back and figure out what I did wrong. It helps me to learn, but I've never seen it before on a test.

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75 The very idea that we actually have the power to effect the temperature of the planet is so far beyond our grasp its insane. Volcanoes are constantly going off and each one equals a million years worth of car smog and greenhouse gases. Yet somehow we are surviving. They also told us when I was in school that the world would be without its rainforrest by the year 2,000. Yet somehow they survived. When has an environmental scientist EVER been right? i have lived through too many dooms day predictions to believe global warming. Expectably when it was brought to the Supreme Court and was found to be one of the biggest scams of the day. Even experts from NASA were fired for forgery of evidence. It was a scam that Al Gore was a tool for, and i will take a while before people accept the scam for what it was. Guess what makes O3 (Ozone) Lightening. Guess what makes Lightening... Heated water rises into the air and makes static electricity. Guess what happens if the world gets warmer from greenhouse gases... We get more storms, thus reflecting light back into space and repairing Ozone with lightening. The oceans are the worlds radiator. Tadaaaaaa. We live.

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because some tests are complete bullshit and don't actually assess the extent of your knowledge. It would be like trying to test epidemiology and biostatistics in Excel/R using pen and paper.

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I say they wouldn't know or care. It's up to the teacher how tests are given. Participation grade, completion grade, whatever. I know teachers that leave and let people take it on their own. However it may be, it's the teachers choice.

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One of my sisters teaches and she has to deal with the No Child Left Behind Act. I'm in no way justifying the teacher's method of testing. I'm only aware of how hard it is to teach 5 different types of children about the same subject (by types, I mean by their learning capabilities, if they are smart, mentally handicapped, etc...) and making sure every child passes and moves on to the next grade level.

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After the professor gets tenure it wouldn't really matter. Still it isn't like it really matters, the point of higher education isn't to give you all the answers. The point is to give you enough knowledge to find the answers when you need them.

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It doesnt help to cheat for certain things. Would you go to a doctor knowing he never really paid attention in medical school and cheated on all his tests and had almost as much knowledge as you for certain health issues. You put your trust in certain people like doctors. Personally I'm happy OP was honest. Now he/she can go and relearn what they failed on. So in the future when they do get their degree, they'll know what they're doing.

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Although I agree with 17, there are a few classes that you have to take with certain studies that are rather pointless. I know a girl who wants to become a stewardess, she had to take a maths test and it wasn't just a simple one. I agree that one shouldn't cheat, but I can see that when you have to make a test that seems pointless and you can cheat that one test you would do it.

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Well, if you know you want to be a stewardess or a skydiver, then don't major in pure math, particle physics, and bio-medical engineering. Pick the major that suites you. I know lots of people that take classes just because they want to learn stuff, and that's fine, I did that myself. But there's no reason to cheat your way through college. Cheating is not going to prepare you for anything else in life except more cheating.

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I'm from the UK as well and I'm reasonably certain that we have the same clever/dumb ratio as most other developed countries; but way to go for over achieving.

Just the other day, I had a teacher give us a take-home test and demand that we not use the book on it, and only give ourselves a half an hour. So I, being the good, honest student that I am, did exactly as the Professor required. The day we had to turn them in, several of the students were in the lounge comparing their answers to the books, and to each other. I got a 75. They all got 100s. So what did I take away from this? Use the book, or in your case, the answer key.

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#11 if I were in your shoes, I would have took the test and then checked the answers. This way I would have learned what I obviously didn't know without getting a bad grade. Same with being in your situation op...

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I had a professor who had take home tests like this. The difference was that the students and the college took our honor code very very seriously and we were all encouraged to speak up if we saw someone cheating. That's really the only way to keep everyone honest. The policy was if you knew someone did something they shouldn't have you would go to the person first and ask them to turn themselves in and if they didn't do that after a certain amount of time you would go to the student government yourself. I thought it was a good system.

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That's not a bad system, although it breaks down in most situations. My work has a "I got your back" safety program that has the same principal, and its a great idea, unfortunately even when personal safety is the issue, people tend to be afraid to narc, as they think of it.

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