Silly Daquan. No means no. Don't drug her.

And others don't understand that "you're moving too fast" doesn't mean being Friendzoned-- it means slow the hell down and have some damn respect

Fortunately, the guy from this FML understood it instantly. That's why he left and got upset... I guess some people dislike rejection and disappointment.

There was a post on Whisper just last night on the "no means no" subject. I was disgustingly surprised by how many men commented that "no doesn't always mean no," "women need to know their place," "girls just want to be pursued," and "you just have to convince them they really do want it." There were even worse, repulsive, vulgar comments that I won't mention here. It's horrible that people still think and act this way. Who in the fuck is teaching them this??? This is one of the reasons why rape happens.

These comments make it sound like you don't think men get raped or forced into sex too. Look at FML's with sex. Any how a woman wants sex and doesn't get it, "dump him", "maybe he's gay", etc. Both genders need to respectful of boundaries. It's not just guys that overstep.

If you're looking for open mindedness and gender equality on whisper, you're gonna have a bad time.

^lol

cake, very good point. often people don't think of men getting raped because, although it happens, it is less likely, and when it does, its not publicized and the guy probably doesn't want to tell anyone so he doesn't seem "like a pussy" which is sad. my heart goes out to them

And this is why it ruins things for those of us that know how to respect a woman.

#1 your fuckin stupid, you give terrible advice

Guys are assholes lulzzz

Heh I got moderated cuz I'm 2 swag

While I agree with most of your statements there are some women who like to be pursued, some even aggressively. While I know that's not for everyone myself included. I pursued my wife, even if at first she only wanted to be friends. We are happily married and have great kids but no means no in the bedroom yes and even touching is no means no.

63, I'm glad things worked out for you. i do think, however, that there's a difference between pursuing a woman you like to get a date and believing that trying to force someone unwilling into sex "makes them feel pursued." I think the latter is more of the pursuit the Whisper men were talking about. I completely see your point, though. Sorry if I misunderstood your post at all.

#29 and #40 I do know that men get raped, too. Sometimes it's worse for them because when they try to press charges or tell people about it, they get made fun of and bullied just because of their gender. To me, rape is rape no matter who does it to who. #32 Yeah, I found that out about ANY equality a while ago. Well, Whisper is the app of secrets, and no one is afraid to say what they truly feel on there.

I think people don't think men get raped because is not by physical force. often when it happens its because a Guy really likes/ loves a girl and is put into a situation where if they don't take the next step forward they will lose them. they don't want to, but if they don't the ggirl will leave them for someone who will.

Stop using male rape/abuse to silence female rape/abuse. No shit the same things happen to men, but were not fucking talking about them right now. Give male victims their own space instead of grouping them with females.

I was more replying to previous comments than implying relevance. you are right. sometimes I forget there are still people out there who weren't raised to consider rape an unthinkable thing.

43, no. Sit down and stfu

We do know we don't want to be forced into sex though!

Good thing you saw a brief discussion on the Internet that very clearly summarizes the thoughts of every male out there. Or you saw a couple of posts on a gossip site by some assholes who don't give a shit. PS, women can be rapists too. Stop over generalizing guys and the reasons behind rape based on your own opinions.

#91 Did you not read my second comment? Yes, I do know that rapists come from both genders, and, no, I said nothing about every guy being that way. I was talking about those who made such comments believing that "no really doesn't mean no." Don't change my words around!

#79, There is no difference between males and females being raped. Get that mentality out of your head. Rape is rape regardless of who does it or why. Being both a male victim and escaping a separate situation, I can say firmly that people who think there is a difference because of gender are just as at fault as those men on Whisper. #78, Just no. A person doing it out of fear of losing someone isn't rape, UNLESS they are being threatened with the person saying they will break up with them unless they have sex. There is the threat and/or enactment of violence, the use of emotional and/or mental manipulation, and/or drugs as the ways of raping someone. My SRT teacher during junior year of high school told us about when she was working as an HR rep and a gay guy came in because a group of females raped him by tying him up so he couldn't move or resist. The guy was timid and probably wouldn't have fought back anyhow, but still. And it was all because the women had a thought that he would have wanted it just because he was a guy. It happens violently for some. In my case, the first time it happened I can't remember if it was violent or not. But the failed attempt was through emotional abuse tactics mixed with physically attempting. Because I said no and got a way, she ended up screwing my coworker, the guy who trained me for my job at the time, so it doesn't just happen the way you think it does. #43 You women need to learn "No means no" too. It is not gender exclusive.

Yes! You wrote this very well!

And then the women who experience this think all men are the same.. talk about stereotyping -_- these asshole ruin it for everyone else.

@Gravenmuir, you just unintentionally made a doctor who reference; the whisper men. Anyhow, I do agree that the people on whisper were really being assholes.

That isn't rape, rape is without consent, that situation is consented, and men do get raped in much the same way a woman would get raped.

I'm getting annoyed with you people, why shouldn't we group them with each other? Are you saying one is more important than the other? Are you saying that a man's trauma is less meaningful?

140 - While I mostly agree, you can't deny that lots of girls do play bullshit mind games

Not just men, either. I've seen cases where it's the woman doing this to the guy.

I must say one thing I agree with most of these comments but I will say not all guys are the same.

You suck

I think 52 was Op's date. Lol

I had one guy stop talking to me because I didn't want to go back to his place on the third date, as I had to get home. A few months later he contacted me again asking for another date...

#36, well at least he seems to have come to his senses in the end...

3 - not to be an asshole but are you sure he didn't just walk away because you essentially told him that you weren't over your ex?

...or maybe she wasn't comfortable with that level of intimacy with a new person yet.

Bitter guys AND girls*

Actually it's not. It's a term used when the girl is leading the guy on for long periods of time using him and then when his feelings develop to a level that he can't take being friends anymore she hits him with the " I can't believe I have such a good friend like you " or something along those lines. Pretty much shattering his kind personality into tiny pieces creating an asshole.

19, nobody owes you or anyone like you a relationship. If you don't want to be friends with them, move along. If you do, don't expect to put friendship tokens in until a relationship pops out. That's not how it works. I'd bet good money that your definition of "leading a guy on" is the girl being friendly towards someone she believes to be her fucking friend.

exactly. unless you directly tell her that you like her, how will she know? by the countless mind games? great. if she doesn't know then shes not leading you on, just merely being a human

They can be bitter but not always. Friend zoned is an actual thing that happens to both sexes. "I like you and want to spend time with you but not like that." "Of course I love you, I just never thought of you like that". Ex: When Harry Met Sally

I only find the friend zone legit when they fall for a douche who doesn't do anything for her and barely even likes her, and/or they confess their feelings and anon crush is like "Ohhh, you're like a friend to me, I can't date you," then falls for aforementioned douche.

Girls aren't vending machines that you put kindness coins into until sex pops out.

She still doesn't owe you shit

And friendship isn't a consolation prize to the 'jackpot' of getting laid! I admit, some people are players, gold-diggers, etc. & lead suitors on to garner gifts, meals, etc., but when friendship is as far as the relationship should progress, in the eyes of one party, the other party shouldn't act like they've been ripped off because they were denied intimacy.

Personally I don't expect that my crush likes me back, I usually just wish that they do. If they don't and only see me as a friend, I'm sad that they see me that way and nothing more, but I eventually have to move on. I'm still good friends with a girl I asked out, and there's no hard feelings.

Well said sister!

Ooops..... I was replying to the girl who made the vending machine comment.

Right. It is fair to be frustrated that someone you really like has told you they will only ever think of you as a friend. Maybe the term friendzoned was coined just so people could commiserate about that disappointment. But acting entitled is exactly what ruins the sentiment.

Um...girls do this too yknow.

Neither are guys so calm the fuck down.

no i have been lead on by girls purposely with them telling me how they like me and stuff but when i tried to advanced they either came out and said you're a brother or best friend or ended up using me to get to someone else while being told im there best friend so i dont agree with its bitter men thats not right and u cannot put that label on everyone

This would actually make my entire day if the follow up said she did.