By mikeissad - 11/08/2012 19:37 - United States - Port Saint Lucie
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66 - no. just stop trying. Colleges may be coveted, but our grade school system is one of the worst among first world countries. 67 - it's ok :) I respect your devotion to defend the image of the United States, even though you are a Shireling. Plus we don't think you are a bitch. Also, we share the same birthday!
Guys, please ignore Barino. He is obviously a troll. Anyway, it's hard to judge the American public education system on a global scale because it's much more inclusive than other countries. Many other nations only allow the top performing students to continue their education, while America is much more forgiving, even allowing those who completely fail repeated chances to graduate. For example, a French teacher told me that only 60% of students pass Le BAC (please correct me if I spelled that wrong), the final test that French students must take in high school. If they only used the top 60% of American students, they'd likely do much better in these international tests.
Barano - You are not making a good representation of your country here, and you're killing your own argument with your inability to form a coherent statement. If you want to talk about the best education in the world, that belongs (as of 2010) to South Korea, followed by Finland and Canada. The US falls at #14, ahead of Ireland, France, and UK. If you want to spew "facts", please know them first.
Speaking as a product of the Canadian public education system, I'm slightly incredulous that so many people have downvoted #9. The United States has, on average, one of the worst public education systems of any industrialized nation. American politicians have a long history of cutting education funding in order to lower taxes. I'm gonna assume the bulk of #9's downvoters are a product of this desperately undersupported system.
Hey 66, Canada, Liechtenstein, Australia, Hong Kong, Finland, China... What's one thing each one had in common? No answer to that question? They all had higher test scores in reading, math and science then the United States. By a considerable margin mind you. You have an average grade school system at best. Sorry to say buddy
134, look at Finland. Everyone is invited for free schooling, including post secondary, including doctors. They mandate only to a certain level/grade to give everyone a base knowledge, and yet they score 1st on multiple levels worldwide beating out the Uk, Canada, USA and a few other "highly regarded" countries, including France. It is not because they are exclusive it is because they care about education so they score high. Yes France may only have an elite few but most of these tests are done at age 9, 11-13, and 15-16. This is to ensure consistency worldwide where every country must have students participate.
66- I can see that you're a result of our poor educational system. It's okay, it's not 100% your fault. On a side note, education here in the US is terribly underfunded and it shows. If we mimicked the educational system that lets say Japan or China has, I think we would be more educated in general. Assuming this is still the case... Students wouldn't have ridiculously long breaks like "Summer break" that is 2+ months long. In other countries (like China/Japan) school is year round, which is how it should be.
#177, I'm not saying that all other countries have exclusive schools, nor am I saying that all of those that score better than the US are exclusive, and neither am I denying that US public schools could be much better. I'm just saying that the education systems of many countries are exclusive to its to top students, and that pushes America further down on the education scale than it should be. Also, other countries have much more centralized school systems, while American schools are run by the individual states. Therefore there is a far wider range of school quality in America than in other countries. Measuring individual states on the global scale would be far more accurate than testing the US as a whole. What's ironic about this FML is that New Jersey has some of the best public schools in America, and the cast members of "The Jersey Shore" are actually from New York. Although I'm told that New York is none to proud of them either.
9- yes it's TOTALLY America's education system's fault because everyone KNOWS they're going around telling girls to get pregnant at fifteen. It's also their fault that someone decided not to care about vocabulary, but instead care about jersey shore. Yes indeed, it's all their fault.
#202, I agree that the US education system needs improvement, but we absolutely should NOT emulate Japan or China. Kids in those countries are worked to the bone. Personally, I prefer that my children are less educated and happy than super educated and miserable. Education is important, but there's also much more to life.
South Korea may have the best education on paper, but in reality it's horrible. Students don't fail nor are they held back. Most parents send their kids to after school programs because they feel the public schools do a poor job of teaching. I worked in a Korean public school for three years and witnessed first hand how bad it is.
I hate pretentious private school kids like you that think private schooling makes themselves better than everyone else. Private school is probably where elitism starts these days. I've been in the public school system since kindergarten and I'm not of lesser intelligence than private school kids my age. I'm sorry not everyone can afford to go to private school. It doesn't mean that we're any lesser than you that do.
265- I'm not a pretentious private school kid; I'm sorry you feel that way. The school i went do really did not have any elitism, that i could detect. We had really smart kids, kids that needed a little extra help that were still intelligent, kids that were average, above, etc. all brands, and they all got along together and with local public schools, too. (things that every school has) I have 4 kids in my family, and half of us go to private school and the other half public. I missed a shit ton of stuff because my school just didn't teach it while public did, but I was good at explaining what little I did manage to learn(due to y'know America's system). My sister is a year behind me in school. She actually had to switch to public because the other (private)school wasn't giving her the learning support she needed to the degree she needed. She also told me that she liked both school, but she felt that the public schools had less freedom in what they wanted to teach. Please don't call me pretentious. That actually really hurt.
Also, My family could barely afford school anyway. I am by no means rich. The only reason I could go is because my mom took a job at the school and then took a second elsewhere, and I was bullied in all my previous schools. I was sexually abused by a classmate. Does that make me elite? Does that make me better than you? I think it just makes me cry.
Public school kids have just as many opportunities as private school kids. We just have to be motivated and intelligent enough to take advantage of them. For example, public schools can offer advanced critical-thinking and creation classes such as Odyssey of the Mind. If you're in a public school and not getting the education you need, I suggest you get more involved. Talk to the school board or your guidance counselors, maybe even the principal. It actually helps. I'm sorry you were sexually abused by a classmate but that can happen anywhere, no matter what sort of school or environment you're in.
Even though America's schooling isn't the greatest, I don't think it's the schooling that is bringing on this increase in teen pregnancies and Jersey Shore wannabes, I honestly think it is media is feeding the young teenage population. Shows have begun glorifying such things as being a pretentious douche bag and getting pregnant at a young age. When you're an alcoholic rage filled Guido aka Scumbag, you get a TV show, when you're a dumb ass who gets knocked up at sixteen and doesn't think about the future of your baby and how messed up their life may be (I know some "teen" moms who are terrific parents and I know some who are shitty parents) you get yourself a TV show. I know that's not all it, there are people out there that are just stupid and feel the need, no the undying urge, to spread their stupidity on the earth like one would spread butter on a slice of bread. I have no faith in the future ahead and I'm scared of what world as a whole will come to. I hope by time that happens I am dead.
The tests aren't an accurate representation. The US attempts to survey test the entire class. Japan, forex, will not test special ed students or those with disabilities, thus removing them from the "average." If you compare our top half to theirs, you get similar results.
Speaking as someone who was educated in the British, Canadian AND American education systems, I can state that all three nations use different approaches, and direct comparisons are difficult. I skipped a grade upon entering Canada, and could have done so again on arrival in the US, but one wouldn't guess from the present state of the UK that the schools were ever any better. And of course, in Canuckistani schools, you have to waste all that time on that French crap. ;)
97- yes, there much better than the States are. Mainly because they are in school 7 days a week and only get out for international holidays. But with this being said, the united states do have some of the best universities. So really it's just how the child was raised and brought up. I'm from Louisiana which has a low education rating and I turned out fine. It's all about the child's want for it. If they want to be a dumbass they will be, but if they want to learn and be educated; well then all the props to them don't you think?
Umm...I can name plenty of of school around the world who have better educations than US. There are some school in Africa that have pretty advanced education. What you guys wait to teach in fifth grade, they start teaching you that in 2nd grade(I know cause I went to school there). And also Schools in China, I don't think they spend time sleeping in kindergarten... So Pshh yeah, there are way better (and I mean way better) schools outside the US. The only reason other countries come here to study is because America does not take diplomas from other countries(unless it was an American school built in that particular country).
This is why I think something like having a Hunger Games for the population of "Guidos" and ignoramuses would be a good idea. There would be book inspired villains like Moby Dick, Cujo, Darth Vader, and Lord Voldemort... Let the prize for the winner be a trip to the moon without any oxygen or another round in the games. I personally believe that to be the best idea ever.
Maybe you should get a job where you can use your expansive vocabulary instead of serving dumb 15 year jersey shore wannabes eh?
I don't consider it a difficult word. But if someone is intelligent then you would KNOW that a 15 year old jersey shore wanna be wouldn't know it? Not saying op deserved to be cussed at but if people haven't accepted the fact that people are Effin stupid then YDI
43 - It's not a strange world at all, you should really step out and see for yourself. All of our parents and grandparents are retiring, leaving employers scrambling to find replacements with a population that can not support the demand. My question is where are you that you can't see this???
#40, stop talking. You're an idiot. You're just killing yourself more and more everytime you comment. Not everyone on here has English as their first language. Secondly, just because English is your first language, doesn't mean you have to know every word of the English language
No Americans are jobless and homeless because they are lazy. There are plenty of jobs out there for people with little or no education which for most people in this country is the case. People don't realize that a little effort is needed to find a job first instead of just applying for welfare and freeloading off taxpayers
287- Americans can't get jobs because (my opinion) we have a crappy presidnt, who, at the moment, has gone on more vacations than all of the other presidents combined. He promised to bring are groups back, and they are all still there. Are economy is crashing (not his fault) and companies are laying off thousands.
I believe the op story was in ENGLISH. pretentious is an ENGLISH word. Which I was replying to the person saying not everyone knows the word. That's defending the 15 year which I never was. My whole point of this was to say that op should have known better than to expect the chick to understand it.
302- Seriously, all the bullshit coming from your mouth is utterly horrendous and annoying. No, we don't all speak english here, as FML is a WORLDWIDE app that allows people from DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE WORLD to access it. Pretentious is, as you said, a common word that most may know, but that doesn't mean EVERYONE is gonna know the meaning. Schooling differs from place to place, so you might know something that someone else in a different schooling district might not know and vise versa. Do us (and yourself) a favor and stitch your mouth shut. Have a lovely freaking day.
302- I completely agree with TheArchAngel, you need to silence yourself. Allow me to school you, shall I? First off, it is the masses of people who are ignorant like you that make other countries think we are full of ignoramuses and stupid hillbillies, it makes those of us who are educated Americans look bad. Second, pretentious originated from French, not English, so do your research next time you falsely spew information which you ignorantly know nothing about. And third, any argument you will have against me will automatically be invalid because I actually did my research before I went ahead and schooled you.
Uh, that is shit that she's bitching you out for being smart!