By whytetrash - 02/11/2012 05:53 - Australia - Newcastle
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You aren't obliged to stay after hours, especially if you have something else on.
I love how a you guys are 14 and 15 and you think you know how the working world operates.
Your scheduled for a certain amount of hours and when those hours are completed you can leave no matter what. Now the company can decide to terminate your employment depending on what state your in, but can't deny you unemployment rights. Specially if their is medical appointment you could possible use the labor board to force them to give you your job back.
#47 there are a lot of rules about what can and can't be done, but in most cases bosses can do whatever the hell they like, because their workers are reliant on the job and can't "rock the boat" just because the boss breaks some rules. it's sad but true that they can get away with so much.
46, People can get jobs at 14 in Canada, I'm not sure about other countries but I'd imagine it's the same. Age doesn't make you smarter in anyway at all. Experience does, but if we can get jobs at 14 we know a little about the working worlds. Also, how do you assume that the commenters are teenagers ? If it's because they're on here, you look about 40 and I'm being generous when I say this. You bitch about teenagers knowing working systems, and a lot of teens do, but did you see anything false in the comments?
46 don't feel bad about correcting my grammar. I mean working at Walmart means you hold a phd right?? Just ask my girlfriends 40 year old ex-husband who is currently living in his sisters basement and doesn't pay child support for his 3 children, 2 I am raising. This because his highest and best job is Walmart. Haha
When you have a real job "dems tha brakes". Your boss can have you stay extra up to a certain amount of hours, and most states (at least in the US) approve forced overtime. This means that you can be made to work more than 40hrs (or 8hr days) within reason, and have no recourse if you lose your job for not doing it. However, if time was preapproved for this appt, that is an entirely horse of a different color and I personally would have straight up bounced.
Wow people learn your labor laws - I mean, for Christ sake they're usually posted right in the bathroom or back office on a giant freaking poster. Not only is "forced overtime" NOT legal in the us (unless you're an independent contractor) but your employer is not even allowed to change the schedule once it's posted without your consent first - learn your rights people and stop making assumptions
90 - Which posters are you talking about? According to the Federal Department of Labor's website: "When can an employee’s scheduled hours of work be changed? The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) has no provisions regarding the scheduling of employees, with the exception of certain child labor provisions. Therefore, an employer may change an employee's work hours without giving prior notice or obtaining the employee's consent (unless otherwise subject to a prior agreement between the employer and employee or the employee's representative)."
#60, she was calling no one children. She was pointing out that, according to profiles, these two individuals were 14 and 15 and you're wrong I like when other people correct grammar errors, for fucks sake if you can't type intelligently then stay the fuck off the keyboard. Unless, of course, you are actually a fucktard and you don't have the intelligence to type correctly- then by all means type what you want but don't get all asshurt if someone corrects you
Well you shouldn't of stayed and missed that appointment, you had a more important thing to do rather then coaching her dog through child birth.
I do not know where to begin with this comment. Should not have stayed, would be the correct term, as those above have pointed out. If you actually bothered to read the FML thoroughly, OP had nothing to do with the birth. Finally, you state the DOG went through CHILD birth. Think on that a little while, would you? Just, try and piece together how that might be wrong.
You should've left anyway. Get a doctors not proving you had an appointment. She can't fire you for it. Your situation is much more pressing than hers.
75- you're saying that op can get fired if they don't stay 4 more hours at work, and miss a specialist appointment just so the boss can see the neighbors puppies?? You must be a boss yourself. I say try to fire me and I'll see you in court for wrongful dismissal.
It is not dependant on the state it's dependant on the job. Union or not. Also the owners. And I've worked at both. You are asked to work the overtime. You have the right to say no depending on the job and the reason. Which is why they ask you and not tell you. Her having an important appointment gives her every right to say no. whether her boss likes it or not. The doctors note gives her that.
It is dependent on the job, but every job that is not unionized can fire you for refusing. That's why it's called "mandatory" overtime. Look it up, it's clearly stated in labor laws that an employer has the right to change your schedule (including having you stay later) without notice unless the matter has been pre-discussed and approved by your employer. As I said, at jobs like mine, if you refuse to stay late when needed, you'll be promptly promoted to customer.
FLSA laws in the USA ( they may be different in Australia, so this is just a ref. to the conversation about the legality of forcing overtime in the USA) "Yes," your employer can require you to work overtime and can fire you if you refuse, according to the Fair Labor Standards Act or FLSA (29 U.S.C. § 201 and following), the federal overtime law. The FLSA sets no limits on how many hours a day or week your employer can require you to work. It requires only that employers pay employees overtime (time and a half the worker's regular rate of pay) for any hours over 40 that the employee works in a week. (Some states' laws, however, give employees more rights than the FLSA does, so check with your state department of employment or labor to be sure.)
ydi for letting people tell you what to do then bitching about it on the internet.
Letting people tell you what to do? Let me guess, you're a "rebellious" teenager who "doesn't give a fuck what other people say", right? Let me tell you how it works in the real world - You have a boss, and you do what the boss says it you lose your job. It's that simple. Unless you win the lottery or are the next Steve Jobs, you better learn that lesson quickly, son.
How can an appointment be urgent if you made it months ago? It could be important, critical or life-and-death, but urgent suggests an immediacy of time. The good news is that your boss's neighbor is not going to have a distracting baby anytime soon. Not a great silver lining for you, I suppose.
My orthopedist is always booked for months in advance. I had to wait for four months only to be told that I had severe scoliosis and needed immediate surgery because I waited "too long" to be seen. Some specialists are heck to deal with. I've been waiting 6 months for another specialist and just now my insurance decides to cut off 3 days before the appointment.
Specialist appointments sometimes take forever to get. I have a situation that my doctor has deemed somewhat critical, but need to see a specialist, and just got word that the earliest they can fit me in is September 2013 (this is following a 10-month wait for an MRI). For me, hearing it was only made "months ago", and not "last year" or something, says it's probably fairly urgent. OP, that seriously sucks. Personally, I would have refused to stay, even if it meant risking my job. My health is just too important to me...