By thestudent - 18/02/2011 09:30 - Philippines
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When so-called stupidity is outed and shamed, people simply feel that... Ashamed, and like failures. If you feel like a failure, you're not going to try. Teachers outing students essentially makes them give up. How do I know? My biology mark dropped about 20% because of a teacher treating me like shit.
@ 4, 5 and 6 - Not everyone is good at math, and not every job requires math. All you need is your grade 11 (university or college level - doesn't matter which)* and you can choose to take a grade 12 math if you want to. Are you guys really giving OP shit for not understanding something? Really? How many classes have you guys had that you didn't understand so well? I bet there have been at least a few... *That's how it is here in Canada. Where you live may be slightly different.
I'm an accomplished banker and there's never been a class I hadn't understood. Math is required for professional careers, but if working oddjobs your whole life is your thing then that's when you can throw in the towel for math. Success only comes to those who give it their all. Keep your stupid comments in your pocket #8.
34 - I challenge you to research this. How many careers can you find that do not require fantastic skills in math? I bet you can find more than ten, and that's low-balling it. Boners - I know several. Shut the fuck up. 19 - Yes, for sure. But it's usually simple math that's required, nothing complex like you're taught in grades 11, 12 and university/college. That's what I'm talking about. Not everything requires you to know and use grade 11 (and higher) math. Most of it is simply calculating, and many jobs even use calculators for that kind of crap.
I struggled with math growing up. At best I averaged as a C student in math. I am, however, a highly successful and intelligent individual. Some people can grasp math easily, others cannot and potentially never will - and be careful with your pompous attitude when you post is riddled with errors.
I said PROFESSIONAL careers. Chemists, Physicists, Engineers, those are professionals (Doctors as well, however they don't require such a strong background of Math, but still do nonetheless). Anything where you don't incorporate a strong portion of Science or Mathematics is hardly a professional career.
Anything you work at for the rest of your life (aside from McDonalds or Walmart, and similar jobs) ARE professional careers. Technically, even being a manager at McDonalds or Walmart can be considered professional. While some require dressier outfits (i.e. a suit or a skirt/blouse), not all of them do. Some managers even have uniforms to wear. Are you trying to say that waste management isn't professional? Being a lawyer isn't professional? I know someone personally who is a well known lawyer in my area. Does he use/need math? Nope. I agree with #19, who said that it's the logic you use, not necessarily the skills you learned (or didn't learn) in that class. Like I said, some people can't understand/grasp math, yet they still have decent/great jobs. "Success only comes to those who give it their all." --Who says those who struggle with math aren't giving their all, yet still can't grasp it? You seem quite stuck up, sir. Know your facts and then comment. I am honestly shocked to see what you just wrote in comment 42. That was incredibly rude... MonkeySpeaks isn't a stupid individual and isn't very good at math. You need to calm the fuck down.
that isn't entirely true I'm on university studying forensic science which basically is analytical chemistry. you don't need a mass understanding with math when it gets to chemistry roles. apart from me as I used to study engineering all of my friends had difficulty with maths in their first year when we were being taught basic math in our first year...
I think you have to take a good look at yourself before you claim I don't know my facts. An example is your notion of the word professional. Anyone who works at something long enough can refer to themselves as a "professional", but that doesn't mean squat. Being a Professional is a distinction you must earn, for example engineers must take tests and work under senior engineers for the state to be certified professional engineers, as these are the only engineers that employers look for and it certifies their opinion on a legal level. You're much to young to think that you understand the world. Now go back outside to your non-math activities and stop making a fool out of yourself.
You say math is so ultra important? I believe grammar and speaking is, too. "You're much to young"....I believe you meant **too. For someone so ultra smart as you, I would be sure that you would know that to be a professional does not mean to be in a career that heavily relies on math. That is like saying teachers are not professionals. A few definitions the dictionary gives of the term "professional": 1."following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder". 2. "engaged in one of the learned professions: A lawyer is a professional person". And how about #3. "done by a professional; expert: professional car repairs". NOWHERE did it say anything about mathematics. Now, go back to your uninformed activities before you continue to make a fool of yourself. :)
That may be the definition of professional, which is so loosely thrown around by peasants like you. When it comes to the God-tier jobs (involving Science and Math), Professional is a title worthy of those who apply their vast knowledge of the former to help you idiots live. Think, without math where would we be? We wouldn't have any telecommunications, we wouldn't have personal computers, hell we would still be making tools out of rocks. This discussion has drifted far from the main topic, which is the ability to actually understand math. The bottom line is this: If you don't understand math, chances are you are NOT going to be a valuable asset to the advancement of our society.
Teachers and professors who specialize in areas other than math very rarely need a large math background. Nor do most of the administration positions in schools/colleges/universities. Translators (either type, really). Editors. Social workers. Are none of them professional? Cops, Chefs, pro-athletes? All more physically-active careers, and yet I'd consider them professional. Careers in certain art forms. What makes any of these non-professional by your definition? My definition of "professional" revolves more around a career that you plan on sticking with until retirement, that's full time, and that makes enough money to feed, house, and clothe you. All of these do that.
@ 47 most of the confusion came about because you're using the word professional in an opinionated sense... Also I believe someone mentioned a lawyer which is a field I believe you must take several test to enter into... was that not a requirement of a "professional field" that you labeled? the truth is not all top level careers require advanced math skills... examples: business, law, biologist, etc... So please stop unknowingly contradicting yourself because it's quite sad to be honest... and your original point was not that people without math would not be valuable to furthering society... so don't change it now to make it seem like you're the ultimate winner of this argument
You responded to someone while I was typing that first post. No one ever said math wasn't IMPORTANT to society as a whole. All of them, and myself, were pointing out that math is not the ONLY important thing. It's not the one thing that makes the world go round. Without math, I'm sure we'd still be able to fashion some basic shelter for ourselves, still be able to eat, still have a functioning society. Mathematical careers are not god-tier. If you consider it relevant, this is coming from someone who is, in fact, good at math. However, as someone else said (hell if I can remember who) I find language to be more real-world useful. Without a common language, there would be no society at all. Without math, there would be no internet, no sky-scrapers. We'd survive anyways.
I searched and clicked the image. Now, tell me who made that rule? How was that all decided and put together on? Was there any science or mathematics behind that whole thing to decide what goes where? Besides that - check your resources. That is not an official site to be referencing if you REALLY wanted to back your argument up.
There's a strong difference between "required" and "would be extremely valuable". Maths is not required for every job (though it is required for decent living), but somebody who *is* well-versed in maths (well, not all of it, but more than most people know) will have distinct advantages over those who aren't. Consider this: a person who can't read is considered to be dumb by most of society. A person who can't do maths often considers it something of which to be proud. Considering that knowledge of each is about equally important to success in life, why do we have this disconnect?
#44: Forensic science is NOT NEARLY the same as analytical chemistry, nor anything other chemistry. However forensic chemistry is a subset of analytical chemistry, which requires extensive math skills, including engineer level physics. Don't ever try to compare yourself to a chemistry major again until you've taken real chemistry classes; not that non-major bullshit.
what are you on about of course it is. in it I have studied physical chemistry. organic chemistry. analytical chemistry and spectrscopy. I'm learning all the analytical techniques used in labs within my degree. I'm doing all the chemistry required for analysis aswell as practicals with scenes and biology...
109 - Even still, it doesn't matter. The entire point of this thread is to prove that not every "professional" career out there requires advanced math. Some don't even require math at all. End of story. I'm sorry you disagree with the other guy about whether forensic chemistry is a "real chemistry course" or not, but with what he said he's learning, I have to say that it is real chemistry. Keep your opinions about that one to yourself. Courses with the same name vary quite a bit across provinces, countries or states.
this post is full of shit and even though I hate to feed the trolls, I agree to with #8. I am a pre-med student and I can assure you that you only need basic algebra skills to succeed in college. Neither my mom or my dad (both of them, well educated doctors) can work complex algebra matrices or calculus problems at their age and they have never needed it in their careers. My point is that just because you are forced to learn it doesn't mean you will use it but failing maths is a slight indicator of your intelligence and competence as well.
No offense or anything #8, but I strongly disagree with you. As you said that you bet there are some of us that haven't understood certain subjects, I do agree with that part.. As you can see my grammar isn't the best. But just because you don't understand a subject, doesn't mean that you should give up and fail the class. OP probably just needed to come to the teacher to ask for some extra help or start doing their work if he/she hasn't been doing it already. I honestly believe that everybody has the ability to get an "A" ( unless you have a learning disability). You aren't just born smart, you become smart. I understand that some people have more trouble than others with school, but they have to put in the effort to learn. And math IS important - the world pretty much revolves around it. SOMEONE had to think about all of this - so be grateful that you have the opportunity to learn about this stuff. Not everyone in the world gets a good education, so I find it extremely ridiculous how people throw out careless words stating how they don't "need" to learn something. And maybe you don't need to - but just be grateful that you're in a situation where you can get educated.
At my school in the UK, everyone's grades are always shown to the whole class, it's shit if you fail, but it's not a big deal really. I can't believe it's illegal O_o. Everyone lay off OP, I was in a class where I studied really hard, and just could never get it, and was the only fail in the class.
Show him how wrong he is. Solve this problem 1 Fries + 1 Drink + Burger X Supersize =? Don't know the answer? Well, best start figuring it out... your new career will rest upon answering such questions day in, day out.
study next time?