By Anonymous - 23/02/2015 07:45 - United States - Hatfield
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I disagree, #9. Sometimes you just have to excuse people for what they say because of their upbringing. Otherwise, you're just going to be pissed off at people all the time when they really don't know any better. You're only hurting yourself by getting angry at people for the way they've been raised. I mean, why should you care what some old person with outdated ideals thinks? It's not like they determine your destiny. You do.
@28 Even going by how an old woman might have been raised, it was not common for women to dress and exploit themselves the way women do at Hooters. It was more common for them to just get married, or at the very least hold temp jobs or be teachers or nurses and such... nothing like Hooters was a popular choice back when
I'm pretty sure there have always been jobs for women willing to flaunt their bodies for cash. The grandmother may have been okay with that when she was young, but the idea of a woman with a career, in technology no less, was likely still unheard of. Either that, or she's just crazy, like you said. Either way, can't get too mad at her for her archaic ideals.
#32, there isn't anything wrong with a nursing or teaching job, both of those require extensive schooling and resumes. As for values of the elderly, that depends on where they were raised as much as the time period, not everyone has or had completely conservative values, so their grandchild wearing shorts and a tank top while waiting tables wouldn't be all that shocking.
as Abraham Lincoln once said when referring to the southerners "Try not to judge them too harshly, they are exactly as we would be under the same circumstances." Doesn't excuse saying that kind of thing but it's important to try to empathize with people even if you disagree with them.
@gracehi Completely wrong. I CAN be pissed off at people who say it's ok for the elderly to say ignorant things, writing it off as "their upbringing". So fucking what if they were brought up to be ignorant? There's no room for that kind of idiocy in today's society, and there's no excuse to be harbouring/defending ignorance on the basis of the logical fallacy of appealing to tradition.
61, 64, 84: You're all idiotically acting as though my being angry about something is the worst thing that could possibly happen. I don't lose any sleep over it, or anything that makes me angry/annoyed for that matter. Being annoyed with something doesn't mean I spend all day obsessing over it. Stop acting all high-and-mighty.
I think most of us will be like this. What we think now won't be what they think in 40/60 years, there is no right or wrong opinion on others. The only thing that is right is to not push your own opinion upon someone else. People here calling her ignorant and stupid should grow up, she is in the wrong for giving her opinion, just like you are all in the wrong for being rude as she doesn't have the same opinion. Keep it private, just tolerate each other (if you disagree with them)
@36 But wouldn't the oppression of women (aka not accepting the idea of women with gender stereotyped careers) be along the lines of old-fashioned conservative values? This is why the "she was raised in a different time period" explanation doesn't sit right with me.
*Australian voice* And here we see the elusive FML troll in it's natural habitilat, making sexist jokes to induce a reaction from it's victims. But the troll must be watchful for the wild FML staff, as they have been known to hunt the troll's kind. Fascinating.
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That is rare though =. A hot girl IN Computer Science... I mean a girl in Computer Science is pretty rare as it is. *Talking as a Chemical Engineer here*
Nothing about gender determines a person's interests, except that even today, parents are more likely to encourage tech fields for boys than girls. Although, there are several basic differences between men and women in terms of the way they think and interact which leads STEM fields to be more male dominated. You also won't find many highly-social people in STEM; it's somewhat dominated by introverts. But again, culture and upbringing; boys are taught to examine and tinker while girls are generally pushed towards social and interpersonal fields. It's all a matter of how we've decided people should think and act in society. Not to condone the grandmother's comment, though. You'd think she'd 've more open to that idea since the computer field was actually dominated by women running program cards when she would have been young. It wasn't for boys until they started making them into personal gadgets marketed to boys.
Rare or not, guys in predominantly male fields who treat their female counterparts differently are doing disservice to the field and everyone who populates it. I understand that it can be difficult to overcome certain societally mediated gender dynamics, but despite this, it is necessary to make an effort to regard and treat everyone in these fields as professional, intellectual, and autonomous individuals (regardless of their gender). While studying for my CS degree, I had several classes where I was literally the only female student, so I speak from personal experience. Being forced to continually deflect focus away from myself and back onto my work (where it rightfully belonged) was uncomfortable and degrading. #10, I realize that you likely meant no offense, but I hope you'll consider how harmful it is to commodify female engineers instead of celebrating them for their professional achievements outside the scope of their gender.
That's not entirely accurate, 129. It seems the main point I was making has been overlooked. When contributing to this discussion, the commenter in question chose to focus on the looks and gender of female computer scientists (which would almost certainly not be a discussion point if the FML was submitted by a male). This is a perfect (although admittedly minor) example of the disparate treatment women receive as a result of that mindset. And it does, in fact, constitute unequal treatment. Downplaying it as someone merely "stating a fact" selectively ignores the broader implications of such a statement.
Computer science? Is that code for using your breasts to trick twelve-year-olds into getting you that YouTube money? Or is it the one where you go on Twitch and have the same twelve-year-olds donate excessive amounts of their parents' money to a webcam feed of your ill-fitting tanktop?