By superminty - 04/12/2012 08:12 - Canada - Hamilton
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Maybe they have different accents. I get made fun of all the time for the way I say anything that has that "ai" sound such as eight, train, pain. I allso get made fun of for my pronounciation of poor and shower. I'm from Northern Ireland so basically it's like they don't understand at all or they piss themselves laughing. FML.
Basically train sounds like "Tree-an" pronounced very quickly. Poor sounds like "purr" and shower sounds like "shar." And a whole lot of other weird accent nonsense that confuses people. Fire being one syllable like "far" or "u"s sounding more and more like "o"s is just the tip of the iceberg. For any and all interested.
Dude. I'm Australian. I don't pronounce train as tryan it sounds more like tray-n another example. Os stray Lee ya. Though I suppose it depends where in Australia you are. I'm from Adelaide which has proper English as opposed to castle in Victoria being said like cassle, or graph being said in Vic and Nsw as graff. Also melbournites. It's MELbourne. Not Malbourne. And stop trying to sound like Tom cruise also saying melBORN.
157, in Canada we have one pronunciation of 'train'. It's 'tray-n', unless you're from a different country, or spoke another language, then the accents apply when learning, but it doesn't change the pronunciation much with the people I know who have foreign accents.
How many ways can "train" be pronounced? :/ unlucky op. Sometimes it's better just to agree with the other person..
"CH" said properly makes a "CH" sound. "TR" said properly makes a "TR" sound. Just like "GH" said properly makes a "GH" sound. I am not sure where you ever picked up the idea that using two completely different letters became "proper" for one random case. Unless "proper" just means "this is the sloppy pronunciation I am accustomed to and therefore call proper". Are you seriously unable to see how "TR" can be a single syllable?
Hee riole cers ebut perncieeshun 'at mush. I suppose a lot of people do; it has to be consistent with what everyone around you is used to hearing, to a certain degree, or else we will have misunderstandings in the best case scenario, or arguments like in OP's case in the worst.
As a trainee teacher I can tell you that bad pronunciation completely fucks up children's ability to spell correctly. It's actually really distressing to see bright children fall so far behind just because their parents couldn't be asked to teach them how to say things properly.
I'm honestly stumped trying to come up with more than one possible pronunciation!
Arguing about pronunciation in cases like that is really.... just stupid. That's just a regional difference. Both pronunciations are correct. The only case in which it would be a valid debate would be if he thought it was "trah-INE" or something like that. Otherwise it's obviously going to vary from place to place. In my area, a lot of people say "chrain" because 1) the parts of your mouth that articulate "tr" are the same parts that articulate "ch", just slightly differently, and 2) IIRC, German influence. We also tend to pronounce "str" words as "shtr", like "shtrong".
#93, I'm sure you unconsciously do it, especially if you're an American. I think "train" varies from region to region, but certain "tr" words tend to be pronounced more as a "ch" in American English. Think about the way you say "matriculate" or "trepidation". Even the dictionary.com pronunciations for words like these sounds like a "ch". After all, the "ch" sound is really just a "t-sh" sound said quickly, and it's easy to make a "sh" sound when your mouth is in an "r" shape. Sorry if that's poorly phrased! I'm passionate about language, and it's hard to explain these things without using technical terms. :)
#103: Yeah, I thought about the way I pronounce those words. And it is not with a CH sound at any point. Because there is no CH in them. At all. Nor, in fact, does dictionary.com use a CH in "matriculate" or "trepidation" - I checked. The pronunciation key only lists a dental T sound, and the speak-aloud function backs that up. At any rate, a sufficiently large number of people having mush-mouthed enunciation doesn't automatically make them right, any more than those who never read and thus don't know the phrase is "for all intents and purposes", not "for all intensive purposes". Dental sounds are confusing as well - some people have trouble enunciating a D versus a T - but it doesn't make the two into the same letter.
@#125: Do you say "chry" as well instead of "try"? it's the same opening consonant sound as "train"...it should also be mono-syllabic in both cases with no separation between the "t" and the rest of the word. Another example is "to" versus "cho"...if you are pronouncing all these wrong, maybe you should see a speech therapist because many in society see people who fail to pronounce words properly as less educated. I know I had to change the way I pronounced certain words when I went to university and found that some people didn't appreciate my "hick" dialect that I used back home.
#142: A speech impediment might also explain hearing the non-existent "CH" in the Dictionary.com audio pronunciations. To people with language deficits, it's not just that they say words incorrectly. In some cases they actually sound that way coming from other people as well.
"I chried to catch up to the chrain on my chractor. But a chroupe of military chroops cut me off in their army chruck. So I chraveled home to eat a bowl of chrifle instead and lament my chroubles. Present someone with this mini-paragraph spelled correctly. Nobody will pronounce it like this.
#159... I'm right there with you XD I was raised in the south, and I'm well educated, but my accent makes me say "chrain." It's just how I grew up saying it, and hearing it said around me. I think, like some other people that have posted, neither are wrong; it just depends on where you're from and how the people you grew up around say it. As for #145, I do indeed say it like that with the proper spelling. Every last one of the "t"s made into "ch"s.
Trainers gonna train. Now tell me how many possible combinations there are to pronounce that statement.