By musicalrose_21 - 20/01/2013 12:27 - United Kingdom - Haywards Heath
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Hey, OP here, sorry I waited so long to reply to this but I didn't realise it got published! In the end, we left him behind and got my boyfriend's brother to drum for us. He's not out of the band though! I thought I could trust him.
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Don't worry, illegal immigrants get treated better than we do. Your band will become a huge hit because of his 'courage'
If by treated better you mean aren't allowed to work any good paying jobs, get treated like animals or "aliens", and if caught, get deported and maybe separated from their family to lead a miserable life, then yeah I guess you can say they are treated better. And don't say they don't have to pay taxes, that's a stupid fallacy among the majority of them.
In high school social studies we listened to an interview with a woman who completed high school, graduated med school and couldn't get a job as a doctor because she found out she wasn't legal. Her parents had moved here when she was a baby and hadn't gotten any of their family legalized.
31, Apparently you've never been to Texas and didn't watch the Republican primary debates. I suggest you make sure your get your facts straight before you accuse others of being misinformed. And Obama signed an executive order saying that only illegal aliens who had committed crimes could be deported. Although I'm not sure of it's still in effect. Also, many illegal aliens have children in America, which qualifies their children as US citizens, because the immigration authorities tend to NOT want to separate families. Plus, if the only work illegal immigrants can get is "under the table," no they're not paying income taxes. While I agree that being an illegal immigrant has its disadvantages, and I wish my government would both secure our borders and make legal immigration easier to achieve, it's completely unfair to say that America treats its illegal immigrants "like animals." They're treated much better here than they are in other countries, like Mexico, where illegal immigrants are all automatically deported. I mean, think about it. If America treats its illegal immigrants "like animals," why do so many willingly come here? I know I wouldn't willingly go somewhere I would be treated like an animal.
Coming from an immigrant: you actually can pay taxes even if you don't have a green card or citizenship. And most do. And they make you prove you're legal when applying for any financial aid when in college. And no, the grass isn't greener for immigrants in America. I suffered abuse in the school system by a teacher who had a negative mindset on immigrants. Even when I was legal. So let's not spit out shit we don't know when it comes to America's treatment on "non Americans."
57, I get where you're coming from. Sometimes I wonder why I let myself get sucked into these debates on a humor site. And as I'm pondering that question, I find myself sucked into yet another debate on FML. Dammit, why can't I just leave these threads alone? I think I need help. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to Debaters Anonymous.
Yeah, people come to the US to live a better life, because other places are more crappy and the US is obviously the place of opportunity. And I don't mean all of America treats them that way, it's just that I despise the way many people think about others who are foreign/illegal. Illegals that aren't criminals still get deported and may even be separated from families, it's happened plenty of times, usually being only one of the family members. And I know I'm not an expert on all of the laws and situations, but the guy that I accused of being misinformed was indeed misinformed. Even if they work "under the table" and have no income tax, it's not like it matters, because their wage is still going to be under 40k a year most of the time even with multiple jobs, an amount I doubt most Americans could live with and would find it unimaginable.
70, I am a US citizen, earn less than 40k, pay income taxes, and still live quite comfortably. And yes, I take care of myself, and don't get any money from my family or collect any entitlements from the government. I agree that there is one extreme on this issue represented here, namely those who believe that being an illegal immigrant is preferable to being a citizen, but it seems to me that you represent the other extreme, greatly exaggerating the difficulties that illegal immigrants face in America, and even misstating some facts.
79, No I live with my boyfriend who can only get part time work at the moment, and so earns even less than I do, not that it's any of your business. But, since you mention, I know plenty of people who earn the same amount I do, or even less, and are supporting a non-working spouse and children.
Alright then. maybe 40k was more than intended and I should have said a smaller amount that would be more realistic for an illegal immigrant family, but hey, now I know more so I can not be as extreme. But I didn't completely misstate the facts about how restricted their lives are, or at least were up until a new law a couple months ago. Mostly focused on the kids of illegal parents, those who weren't born in the US either. Anyways, we should probably end this. I should have just stopped after my first reply to the original thread comment. These debates, they get you.
Most states do NOT grant financial aid without proof of documentation. Also, most states do NOT grant college admissions without proof of documentation. I applied for at least 15 colleges all over and all of them asked me for my green card. I have Only seen community colleges accept illegal immigrants but do not grant financial aid. Illegals CAN and most do pay taxes, directly or indirectly. Most do it in case of a reform as well, so that they have a better chance of getting legalized. While some states might give aid to illegals, it is rare. Deportations and separations of families are not as rare as you think. It happens very often. All of you people who are giving "facts" about the law need to understand it's not as easy as you make it sound and not exactly how it works in real life. The life of an immigrant is not easy.. It's worse than your average US citizen.
15- Dammit. I saw his comment and I thought, "I'm going to comment, "You don't say?" I then held my breath hoping noone else commented it as I clicked "Show Replies." As you are already aware, someone has, and that someone is you. And holy shit, this was a very long and pointless (pencil?) comment. Goodday, Sir/Madam.
He may not have done anything criminal in the country they are in currently.. And it would be pretty difficult to do a background check on every band member for every country. Just saying, if he did something in the states, that wouldn't show up on a background check in a different country. :)
Don't let him fool you. He's allows, he just doesn't want to come to America and see the stupidity here. Can't say that I blame him... >.>
I'm really curious as to why he's not allowed in the U.S, especially as it's not like he's moving there. I really hope there's going to be a follow up for this FML.
Don't worry. We have plenty of ugly drummers over here that can keep the beat and make you look attractive by comparison.