MsPoorEtiquette
Today, at on-the-job etiquette training, I was asked to leave the room for being disrespectful. Why? The trainer said that women should not dress as if they were looking for a man at work. I dared to suggest that this should not be part of etiquette training. FML
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BurnInDemonFire 39
You're wrong about that. Appropriate dress goes hand-in-hand with job performance for many businesses, and your trainer was right to call you out on it. If you'd listened to the one person who knew what they were talking about, you wouldn't have this problem.
sunnyray812 42
If your appearance is giving off an "I'm looking to seduce someone" vibe, you ARE disrespecting the company. It's considered unprofessional in the workforce to show cleavage and have very short shorts or skirt. Every job has a dress code, and it is your responsibility to follow it. YDI
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sunnyray812 42
If your appearance is giving off an "I'm looking to seduce someone" vibe, you ARE disrespecting the company. It's considered unprofessional in the workforce to show cleavage and have very short shorts or skirt. Every job has a dress code, and it is your responsibility to follow it. YDI
nemcali 34
The FML does not say that OP was dressing inappropriately. OP just didn’t appreciate the poor choice of wording. Also men should dress appropriately, why every assumes that this applies to only women?
RipperoniPizza 19
Men DO have to dress appropriately, just like women. We have a dress code to abide by just the same, we can't wear tank tops etc. However, this FML is about a WOMAN, that's why we are talking about women.
sunnyray812 42
It's true that the FML doesn't state it, but the rule still applies, and she was also being disrespectful in the sense that she spoke up to say what rule should not apply. It is not her company, so she does not get to make that decision. As far as males go, they normally don't dress appropriately anyway. Of all the places I worked and went to school, I haven't seen one male dress inappropriately. However, I can't say the same for women since I witness it all the time.
sunnyray812 42
Oops. I meant "males normally don't dress INAPPROPRIATELY."
BurnInDemonFire 39
You're wrong about that. Appropriate dress goes hand-in-hand with job performance for many businesses, and your trainer was right to call you out on it. If you'd listened to the one person who knew what they were talking about, you wouldn't have this problem.
Callyn 47
Except it really doesn't. In face to face sale, sometimes, but most of the time people are more productive if they are comfortable. That's before getting into how sexist dress dress codes are, where the majority of the rules are around what women can wear and the clothing that women are expected to wear is already sexualized but women are expected to thread a needle and not go too far and distract the men, it's a mess.
BurnInDemonFire 39
It counts everywhere. Even if you work somewhere that doesn't have the company logo on its uniform, they still expect you to dress well, as it reflects on the image of the business. It might not matter too much to a small mom & pop store run by one family for 100 years, but to many corporations, from Target, to Apple, request that staff look respectable enough that people will continue to shop with them. And then there are other places, restaurants, hotels, law firms, etc., which make their employees wear something more presentable than just smart-casual pants, and a polo shirt. And since OP went for etiquette training, I think she probably works somewhere nicer than Walmart, so the standards are way higher.
Callyn 47
That's face to face sales. Office jobs, it literally does not matter. Have you seen what Google employees dress like? I'm not saying that the management doesn't care what OP wears, but if she's working in an office it shouldn't matter and whatever dress code exists is certain to be sexist.
Selene1090 26
I think both are wrong. The trainer should not have put it in such a sexist way, and OP should realize that most jobs have a dress code and it is definitely a part of etiquette training.
nemcali 34
She could have said “business casual dress code is required “ instead of making an old fashion sexist comment so no OP was right to call the trainer out.
BurnInDemonFire 39
Forgot about this one. Google made a point of allowing employees to wear casual clothes, have a rec room or whatever for them to relax in, to show that staff didn't need a suit and tie to make a business work. And given their status, they would appear to be right. I personally agree with that method, and I took my job based on their no uniform policy alone. However, there are still tons of businesses out there that think the right look equals bigger profit margin. It's old-fashioned, and most likely sexist, but to a lot of CEOs out there, image matters. And again, on-the-job etiquette training is something organized by companies that want their employees to look good, behave correctly, and improve profits, so I'd be very surprised if OP worked in admin.
onceuponatime456 16
It isn't "sexist" just because you f*cking snowflakes don't like the message! Grow up!
Ghostrui 31
Why did you censor *******?
Jeremy Phillips 18
This is the first time I have ever agreed with one of your comments
Juraj Repinac 5
Work somewhere? Grow up and accept what's told you. Fighting with your betters will only get you fired. Rules exist for a reason, and each company has their own set of rules. You're just an employee, so keep your head down and do what's asked of you, or find another company to work for.
DoctorSpanx 7
Who are these betters you speak of? 😂
nemcali 34
You should work for the Unions... workers have rights too and one of them is no discrimination on the workplace
Sinshine 28
Asking to not dress like a **** at work isn't discrimination. It's common sense.
writergirl1029 17
I agree that the trainer probably could have phrased it more tactfully, but unfortunately, they aren’t wrong.
nemcali 34
The trainer should be fired for discrimination. Honestly she’s sooo backwards
onceuponatime456 16
Grow up snowflake! You do NOT go to work looking like you are heading for the local meat market (bar). This type of crap is caused by the failure of business schools to teach dress codes. When I was on college we had a "business dress" day every Friday. The first Friday I looked at the students that were in "business dress" and then asked the school principal if Friday was "dress for the bar" day. She put her head down and said, I know, but what can we do! Pathetic!
Rabite 28
A dresscode and some made-up sexist rules are something really different. And even the dresscode might be way sexier than normal clothes. Plus with non-sexy clothes co-workers will still hit on you. So what's the point of this made up etiquette except of being sexist and stupid?
RichardPencil 32
Making a “suggestion” during a training class is poor etiquette. Many men like the “naughty girl” which fits right in with your slutty outfit. You go, girl!
TxKitten79 10
If women dressed appropriately at work, trainers wouldn't have to make these statements during training sessions. Unfortunately these conversations are needed in today's workplace.
Callyn 47
Define 'appropriate'. Some people define it as 'wear a burkha'. Men never have that problem and are never blamed for dressing in a way that is attractive or distracting to women. Also, try going shopping for 'appropriate' women's clothes sometime. Take a woman who is willing to associate with you to model them, because many of the ones on the rack don't look as 'appropriate' once they're being worn. See what you find.
TxKitten79 10
"Appropriate" depends on the place you work and their dress code. If you're working at Hooters then short-shirts and tight tank tops are dress-code appropriate. But working in a business office, or in a business where you want to be taken seriously (an attorney, for instance), it would not be. I am in a profession where it's appropriate to dress fairly conservatively. So me showing up to work in a mini-skirt and bra would not be appropriate. And yes, buying appropriate work clothes can be frustrating. Most successful business women will tell you to dress conservatively in the business world.
nrvanagrl 6
Every single one of you except for nemcali are completely missing the point. OP isn't against talking about dress codes in etiquette class, OP is against the sexist way the instructor worded the comment.