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Today, after having been a vegetarian for 8 years because I'm opposed to cruelty to animals, I lost a bet and had to eat a whole Big Mac. I loved it. FML

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I agree, your life sucks (5075) - you totally deserved it (27539)

On 01/29/2010 at 2:25am - misc - by Anonymous (man) - United States (Texas)

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It's ok, I don't think Big Mac's actually contain any real meat. Unless by 'meat' you mean grease and newspaper...

#1 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:09am by ANSNIMS

YDI for taking a bet that goes against your values in life. that's just stupid.

#7 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:15am by Cupcaken

That's what I was going to say, 7. If not eating meat is such a big deal to her, she never should have made a bet where there was a possibility that she would have to eat meat.

#37 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:05am by iwadasn

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totally, since when dumbfucks become vegetarian? you should be eaten

#44 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:08am by laserlast

iwadsan, the OP is a man.

#47 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:12am by jts2

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#67 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:39am by v1kt4r

OH NO! Where is the OP going to get his false sense of superiority now?!?!

(Also #37 way to be sexist and assume it's a she just because he's a vegetarian, it says "man")

#97 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:36am by moonfire

first of all big macs have meat. u all should watch food inc. a movie about food production in America. u might understand why he wants to be a vegetarian. but the way to change the world is not by being a vegetarian (its kind of stupid too) you need to find and promote a lifestyle anyone can and might accept. for instance not eating at restaraunts that promote horrific cruelty to animals. not wasting meat. eat less meat, if the nation ate 1% less cow, does anyone know how many cows would be spared? think about it look it up watch the movie "food inc"

#102 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:53am by confusededone

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#103 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:55am by jpest17

Actually, #97, it's more likely that #37 associated the OP with being female because she is female. I do that too, occasionally. Sometimes I don't check the gender and I read it from a female perspective.

#105 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:59am by cherylface

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dude nobody gives a shit. they taste good

#108 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:03am by dickmeister

yeh but still what sort of
person bets against there principles.
you deserved it you douche

#117 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:19am by tamtam1

Agreed with #7--YDI
If eating meat goes against what you believe then why would you bet on that in the first place? YOU did have a choice to accept the bet and I'm sure that if you had tried then you could of changed the stakes for it.

#121 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:26am by inconvienentgurl

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One word.... Fatty

#147 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:14am by Soybean254

I think OP forgot the FML part of this post.. the fact that he probably started having serious stomach trouble afterward if he has not eaten meat in that long.

#166 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:10am by akes

#102 ~ How many cows could be spared? NONE. They'd just breed less cows, that's all, ultimately decreasing the cow population. Less would be slaughtered, but less would live in the first place.

#181 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:45am by CapnAlex

Bah duh dut dut dyyyyy I'm loving it. McDonald's puts the happy in happy meal : - )

#182 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:46am by Endless89

Sure go promote that life-style cause no one has done that already. Maybe people are just tired of preachers (ms). Seriously you don't need to promote anymore

#207 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:38pm by ccc01

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That's nothing but one sided propaganda #102. If everyone in the world stopped eating meat, we'd be overrun with a cow infestation problem. You would mess up the balance of life by not killing those animals. In addition, the human population would suffer greatly as there wouldn't be enough food to feed everyone.

As for you OP, YDI. 1) You made a bet that was "against your morals" If you didn't want to do something, you wouldn't have made a bet like that no matter how sure you were that you'd win. 2) You liked it, which means you're nothing but a hypocrite, just like the rest of the hippie wannabe activists.

#226 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:38pm by TheTruth1428

Yeah, I saw food inc, the other day, and now everytime i see one of my friends eating something i look at them and go, "your eating corn", and they give me the weirdest looks. And to the OP YDI for making a bet that, if you lost, would make the past 8 years of being meat free kinda pointless. Guess you'll have to start over again.

#227 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:38pm by Kinkysub

I'm vegetarian and not stupid enough to enter a bet like that. You deserved it, you prick.

#2 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:11am by cozcat

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Harsh. Apparently the op didn't think it was so stupid. He can do what he wants.

#40 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:07am by TrAnMu

not harsh, the OP is a dumbass

#61 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:31am by ElMundio87

Well obviously the OP isn't a pussy anymore. So i think the FML is the 8 years of being vegan. :-P

#86 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:15am by tdawgheath

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true dat!! animals eat other animal why shouldent we eat animals too??? after all were animals right???

#104 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:57am by jpest17

exactly. Why would you enter the bet and still keep it? ydi. don't complain

#125 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:33am by fmlstatushater

Once you go big mac you will never go back

#3 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:12am by happypapp12

Big Mac is Dim Mak !

#10 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:19am by nihilanth

You loved it? so how is this a FML =.=

#4 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:13am by junying

cuz she was a vegiterrean for eight years...

#115 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:18am by CronosDage

HE

#124 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:32am by HunYoCrazy

well being vegetarian doesn't mean that you don't like meat I guess

#5 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:13am by tanaqqash

^^^ This ^^^.

#15 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:21am by pendatic

I agree completely with tanaqqash. A person can be opposed to the idea of animal cruelty but that doesn't negate his/her taste for meat. Conversely, there are lots of people who don't like meat and rarely or never eat it, but they don't subscribe to any form of vegetarianism.

#113 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:16am by Anonymiz

Treacherous fiend!

#6 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:14am by GlaoigharAirm

This aint no FML, i would have love to be tasting the big macs deliciousness right now!

#8 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:17am by oogabaga

don't worry, it's no real meat anyway

#9 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:17am by unfortunate_13

ydi. your going against your vaules i would never make that bet as a vegetarian. it disgust me just thinking about it

#11 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:19am by juliannaaaa

I'm not of big fan of big macs,I like their chicken nuggets/selects though.

#12 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:19am by LuveitsGreat

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#13 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:19am by Rellich

No, what's retarded is you judging something as retarded because it doesn't agree with your beliefs. And yes, I know I'm judging that his judgment is retarded based on my belief that his judgment is retarded. And if you understand that then I am happy to lose this argument, because I don't.

#21 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:24am by pendatic

I don't think that vegetarianism is retarded, to some extent, however, if they are vegetarians because they think it's cruelty to animals, and they try push and/or discuss that eating an animal is cruel, then I will fuck them up.

I hate PETA more than anything on the Earth.

#88 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:19am by thecoolest

I agree. PETA should not exist.

#148 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:15am by emumcman

You can't be that opposed to it if you would make a bet going against your "values".

#14 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:20am by Twinklestar

welcome to the other PETA. People that Eat Tasty Animals. :)

#16 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:21am by JP101

hey hey!! there is room for all Gods creatures... right next to the mashed potatoes

#70 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:44am by oogyboogy

Nature is cruel.. don't worry about it and enjoy your Big Mac :)

#17 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:22am by Morphs

ahahaha I hadn't eaten red meat in like 9 years then my friends dared me to eat a cheeseburger, it was amazing :D

#19 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:22am by tigia

If you're so strongly opposed to eating meat, you shouldn't have made that bet. YDI.

#20 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:24am by geppy

As a vegetarian, stupid bet, and big macs taste rank anyway. :)

#22 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:28am by otakuzakku

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im a vegan i go meat one week i have no choice fml

#23 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:33am by ninagirllolrox

You must have some other definition of the word vegan that I was not before aware of.

#24 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:36am by wellinever

You're either a fake or you're stupid for two reasons : you make REALLY stupid bets and mac donald's tastes like crap. You totally deserved it.

#25 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:37am by kudwam

If McDonalds tasted like crap it wouldn't be the most popular fast food world wide, appealing to people from a vast number of different countries with different cultural food. If you want to jump on the hating McDonalds bandwagon there are probably better reasons than saying something stupid and pretty blatantly untrue about the taste of it.

#28 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:40am by Twinklestar

because it's cheap food. that's it

#62 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:34am by ElMundio87

There's a lot cheaper food.

#65 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:37am by Twinklestar

3 or so dollars may sound cheap but in comparison to how much you'd spend on a non-fast-food meal/homemade meal.. it's not.

#142 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:05am by Boddmon

Mac donald's IS awful. I don't hate it. I just think people that enjoy it have no culinary education and can love anything that is only sugar and fat. Mac donald's is food for children, and you should have lost your love for it at the same time you lost your first teeth.

Besides, Britney Spears sells a lot of discs. Do you think it is good music ? Gregarious.

#161 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:49am by kudwam

I think billions of people would disagree with you considering 75 hamburgers are sold every second of the day, and I'm pretty sure they're NOT all children.

Britney Spears may sell a lot of CD's both the consumers who are purchasing them do it because they like her. Same goes for Mickey D's

Ba da pa pa pa... I'm lovin' it.
;)

#164 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:05am by Boddmon

Plenty of chefs enjoy the occasional McDonalds meal from time to time. My best friend has been a chef for the last 5 years, and has spent almost as long studying cooking and still has McDonalds at least once a month and enjoys it. It's not cheap in comparison to other foods and yet people from all cultures eat it. And it certainly wouldn't be the majority of people who eat McDonalds who only eat food full of sugar and fat, and there are other foods with far more sugar and fat I doubt you would accuse people who eat it from time to time of only liking foods full of sugar and fat.

What exactly is bad about Britney Spears music? It might not be your taste, but would you care to elaborate on what actually makes her music bad?

#165 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:09am by Twinklestar

In a recent report in The New York times, they stated that obeisety in America is due to cheap foods (from your local fast food producers, mcd's burgerking.. and so on). Not only does this say that the food is cheap but most people eat who eat at these places are spending 1 dollar on a double cheese burger. I don't eat dinner for a dollar. Thus concluding that a bad troll is a bad troll. Britney spears has nothing to do with this. BAD

#177 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:34am by nexus_drinker

So because the New York Times says that it's cheap, it's cheap?

#179 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:42am by Boddmon

McDonalds have franchises in almost every developed country in the world. McDonalds is not the reason Americans are obese. It doesn't really matter what you say the New York Times says. McDonalds is still more expensive than a lot of other food. Most people eat more than 1 cheeseburger for a meal, and you're certainly not going to get obese from that. Homecooked meals often work out to be cheaper than that at any rate, depending on what you cook.

#186 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:57am by Twinklestar

What vegans eating meat? Has this world gone mad?!? This should be on the news instead of subjects that really matter!!!! Why whhhy whhhhyyyyyy do you vegans take not eating meat for granted?

#26 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:38am by happypapp12

So, I'm a vegetarian.
I don't think you should eat meat, but I'm not saying meat tastes horribly.
If it wasn't made out of dead animal, I'd love to eat some sausage, miced meat, or other stuff I loved before going vegetarian.

You're an idiot for doing a bet like that, if that's really against your beliefs.

#27 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:38am by _JaneDoe

I'll eat most animal, I don't do rodent though.. I'll pass on the miced meat.

#145 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:07am by Boddmon

what if it was wrapped in bacon?

#235 - On 01/29/2010 at 2:06pm by Cthulu

aw no, I'm muslim...

#239 - On 01/29/2010 at 2:14pm by Boddmon

I get the whole cruelty to animals thing but being vegetarian isn't going to stop that so if you enjoy big mac ass burgers then stop complaining and go stuff your face!

#29 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:41am by Pearljammer001

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good u pussy

#30 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:43am by slotch1337

how is this a FML? u loved it

#31 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:46am by mahamii_93

hahahaha xD

#32 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:50am by Jula

I'd say YDI for being a vegetarian for the wrong reasons.
You can be a vegetarian, that's just fine, but if you are an homnivore you don't neceseraly are "for" the cruelty against animals.
Many meat eaters do care about the well-being of animals in general. Having a couple of farms who respect their animals (a "nice" killing...)

#33 - On 01/29/2010 at 6:51am by 4ube

If I could see your point there, I'd probably agree with you!

#34 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:00am by pendatic

Lol, i think what he means is being a veg because of the way the animals are killed is wrong, that he should have a better reason to be a veg, which honestly i can't find.. :)

#41 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:08am by Mikeymikey

What is number 33 on about? Is he high or what? Anyways it's your own fault

#35 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:04am by happypapp12

lol.... thats awesome!! i think it's time for catch up hey!!! :D

#36 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:05am by Mikeymikey

I'm guessing if you made such a bet, unless you were 100% positive you wouldn't loose, you wanted a guilt free way of eating meat again, atleast a big mac.

If you loved it so much why don't you just eat meat? It's not like every time you eat a big mac they kill a cow out back. Your contribution to vegetarianism on it's own isn't saving any animals.

#38 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:06am by AtoZnumbersand_

Vegetarians need to watch The Lion King and learn about the circle of life.

#39 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:07am by Rawrified

Loolll. I have vegetarian and vegan friends but I still believe that if God didn't want us to eat meat, there would be vicious teeth on cows and chickens and whatnot.

#64 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:37am by ShutterSp33d

That would be a good point if god existed.

#119 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:24am by otakuzakku

hahahaha (:

#169 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:22am by dot1777

that would be a good point if the circle of life involved keeping chickens and cows in cages/pens so incredibly small that they cannot move.

#232 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:58pm by RustyGuy

after being a veg for 8 years wouldn't the meat have shocked your system into vomiting and shitting your brains out? i think i heard that somewhere before.

#42 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:08am by grandma_moses

Yeah. When my cousin was little, all he ever ate was PBJ's and goldfish, and he never wanted to eat anything else, even when his parents tried to force him. They could never get him to eat meat until he was like 8, and by then, his body was rejecting it. He's a doctor now, and he says that if he were to attempt to eat meat, it would fuck him up out of both ends, because your body loses the enzymes meant to break down meats.

#92 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:25am by thecoolest

glad someone finally caught this. this is totally true. after 8 years you wouldn't "love" the big mac. you would be puking it up for the next six hours.

#116 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:19am by stillxsearching

agreed. i knew someone who was a vegan for two years and he got violently ill from eating an egg.... fake

#134 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:46am by CYNNER

I got only 1 thing to say to the OP, and probably every other Vegetarian that is a vegetarian only because they dont like cruelty to animals. Do you know how many Rabbits, Mice, Snakes, Gofers, and other field animals are torn apart and killed by the trucks that harvest all your grains and other veggies? Lots... Lot and lots and lots... So yeah, you can be a vegetarian for that reason, just know that there is still animal cruelty involved. Besides there are plenty of meat farms that treat their animals quite nicely. Not to mention you know, the whole whole eating animals things is kinda Natural. I dont see a Lion not eating a Gazelle because its cruel.

#43 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:08am by AlphaXero

Killing animals for food or accidentally in the process of harvesting food and animal cruelty are different things. They are probably opposed to the way the animals are treated prior to being killed and the awful way in which they are killed. Yes there are some farms that treat the animals well, but I don't think it's as easy to distinguish which meat is which, unlike eggs.

#81 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:12am by Twinklestar

Your belief is dumb any way if we weren't ment to eat meat we wouldn't have the teeth for it face it we are omnivors the top of the food chain baby we eat all.

#45 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:10am by MrBodybagFiller

If you can think of one thing that you would not eat due to its gross out factor, then your argument is lost. I'm thinking roaches, dog, worms, animal testicles, anything at all that you wouldn't eat.

#52 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:18am by pendatic

All those things sound rad to me, I'd try it.

#141 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:04am by Squander

don't worry they don't use real meat

#46 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:11am by Volcomrox2266

there's a reason why Mmmmm!!! is in meat!

#48 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:13am by airforce987

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#49 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:13am by blablaaafuckyou

well atleast u know u like big macs now....go to mcdonald and explore some more

#50 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:14am by taycandy96

gosh it's life humans eat meat (well some of them don't) and so do other animals....is that so wrong???

#51 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:16am by taycandy96

as a veggie, never enter a bet like that dumba**

#53 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:19am by NoNameGer

You are allowed to like meat, being a vegetarian doesn't mean you don't like the taste of meat it means you don't consume meat.

Being a vegetarian in the first place is pretty stupid but whatever, you can choose to not have delicious animals, I'll have extras for you.

#54 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:19am by Copilot

Or the OP can ask one of his non-vegetarian friends to eat a veggie burger next time they go to McDonalds to balance things out. Like Joey and Phoebe did.

#55 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:23am by Rawrified

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#56 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:24am by deepdiver999

tool

#57 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:24am by adi2

Why'd u even take a bet against something ur against?

#58 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:25am by MysterQi

big deal. if you go vegitarian thats not gonna stop those ppl. would you rather them die with a purpose and be eaten or just let them die with no reason whatsoever?

#59 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:26am by pwnage79

I don't understand how eating the animals god put on earth for us to eat is cruel.

#60 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:30am by kamranbird

If you were a REAL vegetarian, you wouldn't let something stupid and pointless as a bet change your values.

#63 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:35am by ughwhateverr

If the OP was actually a vegetarian, eating meat would have made them extremely sick, and I doubt they would have "loved" that.

Try to do some research before you lie.

#66 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:38am by courtknee88

Try doing some research before you make a ridiculous comment like that.

#73 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:48am by AtoZnumbersand_

what about my comment isn't true?

#75 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:55am by courtknee88

I've been vegetarian for 20 years; I ate meat recently and it didn't make me sick, so that's what isn't true.

#77 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:04am by pendatic

well, congrats on not getting sick, but the majority of people will get sick after eating something they have abstained from. Ask any vegan who has gone back to veg or a vegan/vegetarian who has gone omni, it's not easy.

Perhaps the OP was an exception to the rule like pendatic, but that's doubtful.

pendatic, why would you eat meat after being veg for 20 years?

#80 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:11am by courtknee88

I was vegan for many years and went back to meat, I didn't get sick. I have several friends who've done the same and have never gotten sick. You don't know what you're talking about.

#118 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:23am by percent

Actually, she does. As someone mentioned before, your body loses the enzymes needed to process meat. Of course, everyone is different, so it affects people in different ways; some, not at all, others, it makes them really sick. Don't jump on someone just because it didn't happen to you specifically.

#127 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:35am by Back_In_Action

Actually, I do know what I'm talking about...I've gone from omni to vegan to veg, so I've had plenty of experience with changing the way I eat. Back_in_action knows what I'm talking about.

#146 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:10am by courtknee88

#68 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:40am by courtknee88

Vegetarians still kill animals. The land that's cleared to grow veggies destroys animal habitat. Pesticides are usually used which kill not only insects but the birds and other animals that eat the insects. Land is cleared for housing and roads. You can't live on this earth without killing other beings. You vegetarians are not as holy as you think.

#69 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:41am by youthink

They probably don't consider that animal cruelty though, because pesticides kill pests and the animals who have their habitat destroyed are too small to matter. But I totally agree with your point :)

#71 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:46am by Sazula

yea if people REALLY care about animal cruelty we all just have to die

#72 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:48am by citygirlnomore

Yeah, we're probably at the same level as you people who relish the fact that what you eat has been slaughtered.

#123 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:28am by otakuzakku

Animals that die because you stole thier habitat, as well as the ones that die from pesticides, die a slower, more painful death than slaughter. Congrats on being ignorant.

#240 - On 01/29/2010 at 2:14pm by youthink

I'm going to gave to agree with the majority on this. I'm a vegetarian and I know I would never put myself in a situation which could result in having to eat meat. Why did you even become vegetarian? Clearly not because you give a damn about animals. The fact that you could even eat meat without any guilt says it all. You're a piece of work. Rethink your beliefs, or your apparent lack thereof.

#74 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:50am by blaaaaakely

actually, anatomically humans are herbivores, not carnivores or even omnivores. both omnivores and carnivores have incisors of a sort. as humans, our teeth are dull and not made to grind meat but instead to chew vegetables. look it up. I did a research paper in my college English class and found a great page about it. also, meat-eaters are more likely to develop disorders like ED ;D just an fyi for the fellas, haha.

#76 - On 01/29/2010 at 7:56am by blaaaaakely

You must look really odd if you don't have incisors, are you a homeless guy?

#79 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:09am by Carbonchild

I'm aware we have teeth called incisors, but our "incisors" are dull and not made to grind meat unlike the actual incisors of omnivores or carnivores.. and I wasn't aware that homeless people had different dental structures? that was an awful excuse for a joke :/

#94 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:31am by blaaaaakely

Incisors aren't meant for grinding. They are meant to cut and shear food. All food. Plus we have canines which are solely meant for ripping and tearing meat into manageable portions.

#150 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:24am by emumcman

did you fail the paper?

#174 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:31am by dot1777

Most of the comments on this page are the reason I hate vegetarians. Most of them are such fucking morons. Whether you eat meat or not is not going to save your precious animals, just as many are slaughtered. You're not making a difference. I have no problem with people not eating meat, my problem is with those who cram their beliefs down others' throats because they think they're doing something notable.

Does a lion in the wild suddenly decide not to eat it's prey because that's "mean"? It's the circle of life, grow a pair.

#78 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:07am by achristie9

Most of the comments on these pages are the reason I hate people. Most of them are such fucking morons. My problem is with those who cram their beliefs down others' throats because they generalise about particular groups from the comments of a few.
Thank you for those words of wisdom, achristie9.

#83 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:12am by pendatic

Most of the comments on this page are saying how they hate Vegetarians. Come on until this post the Vegetarian/non vegetarian arguments were mostly not spoken, and then I can mainly see people against vegeterian, saying as a meat eater myself, this is simply about a dumb vegetarian who made a idiotic bet and deserves it if she actually went through with it, Not which lifestyle is better, don;t make it that.

#85 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:13am by KittyKatGirl

Just as many are not slaughtered. Less demand for meat = less animals bred and killed for consumption. The OP isn't trying to cram their beliefs down anyone's throats, and as far as I can see, nor is anyone else asides from people claiming vegetarianism is stupid.

Lions aren't omnivores and don't have other options, and they way the kill their prey isn't as awful as the way a lot of meat work factories kill the animals we eat. Which brings me to another point; kill your own dinner and eat it before you tell anyone else to grow a pair because lions in the wild kill other animals.

#87 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:17am by Twinklestar

lions dont keep a farm load of prey and kill them regardless of whether it needs food or not. We do. A lion kills when it need to eat unlike us who kill animals and in a lot of cases process the hell out of them, most of the meat does get used up but some doesnt meaning some of the animals die in vain.

Im not a vegi and i understand the whole "they would die anyway" argument. All i'm saying is a little bit more respect towards the animals that we eat (which thankfully a lot of farms, slaughterhouses do have) would not go amiss.

To OP what the hell were you thinking, you eat a big mac and your oppossed to animal cruelty? If you are going to make a decision like that at least have the courage to follow it through.

#91 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:24am by monnanon

I can't speak for all vegetarians, but I'm aware that on my own, I'm not making a difference. However, I don't have to take part in something I don't feel right about. I try not to be a moral beacon of superiority, because nobody wants to hear "ew, that's dead animal" or anything of the like. That has less to do with vegetarianism and more with being a pretensious douchebag. Hope that helped put it into perspective a bit.

#106 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:59am by blaaaaakely

blaaaaaakely, everything you're saying I'm agreeing with one hundred percent. this guy. :)

a lion and a human being have entirely different sets of judgements and if we are to claim to be so civilized and advanced, shouldn't our ethics (namely regarding meat consumption) advance too? To me, it seems a lot of contradicting statements are being offered here.

and in regards to all the people stating that vegetarians disgust them and that we need to 'grow a pair', the lack of rational arguments involved with these posts really prove to me that I've picked the 'right side'. :)

#128 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:37am by otakuzakku

go fuck yourself

#190 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:02pm by joshhh11

Haha, after all those long comments, josh's one made me lol, it's like a punch-line.

#201 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:32pm by 8trickster8

YDI for being a vegetarian. Animals are there to be used and eaten. Rest assured i'm not discriminating. I share the same opinion for humans too.

#82 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:12am by watisit

how is that a bad thing. meet is good for you.

#84 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:13am by crusher666

Wow, imagine eating a proper burger then. With actual cheese. And bacons.

#89 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:20am by davek

big mac more like crap they scraped of the tires if the delivery truck and then threw it on the grill

#90 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:24am by jamieboy11

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how did this get through? you ate a big mac and liked it big fucking deal

#93 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:28am by mistershlong

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#95 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:32am by FritoLovesYou

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YDI for being a vegetarian in the first place.

#96 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:34am by cwark

lol they r nice

#98 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:38am by jts2x3

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#99 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:42am by DynamicDave

That rlly sux ive been a vegetarian for almost a year now and am still fighting off the urge of meat

#100 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:44am by blackcatz08

put this as a fml

#101 - On 01/29/2010 at 8:52am by jts2x3

Jesus Christ, so many angsty asshats on here. Not everyone who is a vegetarian or a vegan is halfway as ignorant as OP. And as for "animals get killed when you harvest grain" argument... do you really think that argument holds any water? Come on now.

Also, I'd like to clarify that as a vegan (and previously vegetarian), I don't support or endorse PETA in any way and neither do many vegans or vegetarians. In fact, PETA is diametrically opposed to many aspects of veganism because they push for animal welfare rather than animal rights. You can search YouTube for "Gary Francione" (Rutgers law professor, philosopher, and author) if you want to hear some compelling arguments that have nothing to do with animal welfare (i.e., the impossible notion of making unnecessary slaughter "humane") and a lot to do with animal rights. His website also answers just about every question you could have if you want to Google for that.

Ah, who am I kidding? I'm sure nothing will change-- there will still be a bunch of mindless bashing going on.

#107 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:01am by askantik

Well there seems to be alot of "hate" and misinformation.

Vegan is a slightly hypocritical position as many people point out. But that's only if you view it as a 100% moral absolutism (or black and white). I weighed the arguments for and against veganism and it seems the arguments regarding: # of deaths, ethics, environmental and health advantages were enough to convince me to at least try.

About the number of Killings:

Animals & pests do indeed die to feed vegans. But vegans kill less overall because to grow animals you need grains. This also contributes to less environmental damage through run offs, contaminations, and a lower carbon footprint because of less harvesting and transporting of grains to feed stock. So, to get meat you have to kill more animals to feed those other animals. There is still some killing done if you are a vegetarian because life takes life to exist, but vegans should aim to reduce it. Like most morals they are usually unattainable but something we should strive for. Isn't it enough that we are slowly driving them all off land and destroying habitats to make room for ourselves?

About Ethics:

"We're at the top of the food chain" "We are superior to animals because we have x trait"
I don't know about the rest of you but might makes right never sits well with me.

It does bother me when someone can so nonchalantly make a joke about the slaughter of other sentient creatures who have similar interests such as (being fed/having safety). These are also likely the people who cringe when they see a pet being abused for enjoyment. My point is that their seems to be a disconnect when people, for their own enjoyment, are able to do eat creatures with such similar characteristics as themselves (earthlings, aversion to suffering, close on the genetic tree, sentient), and sometimes fail to understand more the process of their meal, the effect on themselves and the environment.

Here's a pretty heavy handed guilt filled video of how we use animals:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6361872964130308142&ei=BuViS_neH53EqgK7p4nOCA&q=earthlings&hl=en#

Don't get me wrong, I do think humans are unique in their capacity to control/destroy both their own destiny and the planets destiny. Some may say why should we care about beings with lesser abilities? Well I say why should we care about children, the handicapped, and the elderly? My point here is that as we increase in power and resources we are able to increase our morals to take care of others...just why is others only limited to ourselves. We are very similar to other animals genetically: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0831_050831_chimp_genes.html. What % genetically and how much ability does a creature need to have for us to actually give a shit about it's interests? I hope an alien race doesn't come along with this mentality as they look down and evaluate our worth based on these criteria. I hope speciesism isn't going to be a prominent attitude as we move forward (just like racism/nationalism isn't acted on in full extremes).

About Health:

Some people may argue genetically we have the ability to digest meat and we have canine teeth. But their are similar arguments that could be made that we are more herbivore in nature (Intestinal tract length, stomach acidity, saliva, shape of intestine, fiber, lacking claws).

A vegan diet, or close to vegan diet has been shown to have many advantages over the omnivore diet. These can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism

Anyways if you have any questions let me know,

#109 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:03am by vegan123

TL;DR

#110 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:09am by Sue21

Nice input, thanks for stopping by.

#122 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:26am by vegan123

Everything you eat is alive at one point whether it's a tomato or a cow so unless you eat rocks stfu.

#178 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:37am by Jackster1020

I guess you both didn't understand both my post or the terms of service for this website.

"TLDR"
Terms of Service: TXT language and abbreviations are forbidden on the website. Be careful with your spelling and read your post a few times to be sure before posting. Do not hesitate in using an automatic spelling corrector to avoid spelling mistakes.

"Everything you eat is alive at one point whether it's a tomato or a cow so unless you eat rocks stfu"

Terms of Service: Respect and good manners are essential. Don't post any shocking or hateful comments about the other users or the original poster of the FML you are commenting on. Remember that Fmylife is a site open to a wide audience.

As for your point, we are sentient beings that evolved on a diet of other life forms and eating some form of life to live is unavoidable. Maybe you should reread my post, but Veganism is about incorporating other sentient being interests into our own actions and minimizing our impact on them. Is it not enough that we are driving them off land and towards extinction at an incredible pace, couldn't we not also use and treat them as a product or stock?

#199 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:28pm by vegan123

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Vegetarianism is the practice of following a plant-based diet including fruits, vegetables, cereal grains, nuts, and seeds, with or without dairy products and eggs. A vegetarian does not eat meat, game, poultry, fish, crustacea, shellfish, or products of animal slaughter such as animal-derived gelatin and rennet.[1][2] There are a number of vegetarian diets. A lacto-vegetarian diet includes dairy products but excludes eggs, an ovo-vegetarian diet includes eggs but not dairy products, and a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet includes both eggs and dairy products. A vegan diet excludes all animal products, including dairy products, eggs, and honey. Vegetarianism may be adopted for ethical, health, environmental, religious, political, cultural, aesthetic, economic, or other reasons.

Semi-vegetarian diets consist largely of vegetarian foods, but may include fish and sometimes poultry, as well as dairy products and eggs. With these diets, the word "meat" is often defined as only mammalian flesh.[3][4] A pescetarian diet, for example, includes "fish but no meat".[5] The colloquial application of the word "vegetarian" to such diets has led vegetarian groups, such as the Vegetarian Society, to clarify that such fish or poultry-based diets are not vegetarian, due to the fact that fish and birds are animals.[6]
Contents
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* 1 Terminology and varieties of vegetarianism
o 1.1 Other dietary practices commonly associated with vegetarianism
o 1.2 Semi-vegetarian diets
* 2 Etymology
* 3 History
* 4 Health benefits and concerns
o 4.1 Nutrition
+ 4.1.1 Protein
+ 4.1.2 Iron
+ 4.1.3 Vitamin B12
+ 4.1.4 Fatty acids
+ 4.1.5 Calcium
+ 4.1.6 Vitamin D
o 4.2 Longevity
o 4.3 Food safety
o 4.4 Medical use
o 4.5 Physiology
o 4.6 Animal-to-human disease transmissions
o 4.7 Eating disorders
* 5 Additional reasons for a vegetarian diet
o 5.1 Childhood IQ and diet choice
o 5.2 Ethics
o 5.3 Religion
+ 5.3.1 Hinduism
+ 5.3.2 Jainism
+ 5.3.3 Buddhism
+ 5.3.4 Sikhism
+ 5.3.5 Judaism
+ 5.3.6 Classical Greek and Roman Thought
+ 5.3.7 Christianity
+ 5.3.8 Islam
+ 5.3.9 Rastafari
o 5.4 Environmental
o 5.5 Labour conditions
o 5.6 Economical
o 5.7 Psychological
o 5.8 Cultural
* 6 Demographics
o 6.1 Gender
o 6.2 Country-specific information
* 7 See also
* 8 Notes
* 9 References
* 10 External links

[edit] Terminology and varieties of vegetarianism
Foods in the main vegetarian diets. Each of the diets listed in the table are subsets of vegetarianism. Diet name Meat, poultry, fish Eggs Dairy products Honey
Lacto-ovo vegetarianism
No
Yes Yes Yes
Lacto vegetarianism
No
No Yes Yes
Ovo vegetarianism
No
Yes No Yes
Veganism
No
No No No[7][8][9]
[edit] Other dietary practices commonly associated with vegetarianism

* Fruitarianism is a diet of only fruit, nuts, seeds, and other plant matter that can be gathered without harming the plant.
* Su vegetarianism (such as in Buddhism), excludes all animal products as well as vegetables in the allium family (which have the characteristic aroma of onion and garlic): onion, garlic, scallions, leeks, or shallots.
* Macrobiotic diet is a diet of mostly whole grains and beans. Not all macrobiotics are vegetarians, as some consume fish.
* Raw veganism is a diet of fresh and uncooked fruit, nuts, seeds, and vegetables.
* Dietary veganism: whereas vegans do not use animal products of any kind, dietary vegans restrict their veganism to their diet.[10]

Strict vegetarians also avoid products that may use animal ingredients not included in their labels or which use animal products in their manufacturing e.g. cheeses that use animal rennet (enzymes from animal stomach lining), gelatin (from animal skin, bones, and connective tissue), some sugars that are whitened with bone char (e.g. cane sugar, but not beet sugar) and alcohol clarified with gelatin or crushed shellfish and sturgeon.
[edit] Semi-vegetarian diets

Semi-vegetarian diets primarily consist of vegetarian foods, but make exceptions for some non-vegetarian foods. These diets may be followed by those who choose to reduce the amount of animal flesh consumed, as a way of transitioning to a vegetarian diet, or for environmental reasons. The term "semi-vegetarian" is contested by most strict vegetarians,[6] who believe that vegetarianism must exclude all animal-based foods.

Many individuals describe themselves as "vegetarian" while practicing a semi-vegetarian diet that includes fish or poultry.[11]

* Semi-vegetarianism: A diet that excludes certain meats, particularly red meat, but may include others.
* Flexitarianism: A diet that consists primarily of vegetarian food, but includes occasional exceptions.
* Pescetarianism: A diet that is mainly vegetarian but also includes fish.

[edit] Etymology

The Vegetarian Society, founded in 1847, claims to have "created the word vegetarian from the Latin 'vegetus' meaning 'lively' (which is how these early vegetarians claimed their diet made them feel) ..."[12] However, the Oxford English Dictionary and other standard dictionaries state that the word was formed from the term "vegetable" and the suffix "-arian".[13]

The Oxford English Dictionary also gives evidence that the word was already in use before the foundation of the Vegetarian Society:

* 1839 - "If I had had to be my own cook, I should inevitably become a vegetarian." (F. A. Kemble, Jrnl. Residence on Georgian Plantation (1863) 251)
* 1842 - "To tell a healthy vegetarian that his diet is very uncongenial with the wants of his nature." (Healthian, Apr. 34)

but notes that "The general use of the word appears to have been largely due to the formation of the Vegetarian Society at Ramsgate in 1847."
[edit] History
Main article: History of vegetarianism

The earliest records of (lacto) [14] vegetarianism as a concept and practice amongst a significant number of people come from ancient India.[15] Vegetarianism was also practiced by the ancient Greek civilisation in Southern Italy and in Greece in the 6th century BCE.[16] In both instances the diet was closely connected with the idea of nonviolence towards animals (called ahimsa in India) and was promoted by religious groups and philosophers.[nb 1]

Following the Christianisation of the Roman Empire in late antiquity, vegetarianism practically disappeared from Europe.[18] Several orders of monks in medieval Europe restricted or banned the consumption of meat for ascetic reasons, but none of them eschewed fish.[19] Saint Genevieve, the Patron Saint of Paris, is mentioned as having observed a vegetarian diet — but as an act of physical austerity, rather than out of concern for animals.

Vegetarianism re-emerged somewhat in Europe during the Renaissance.[20] It became a more widespread practice in the 19th and 20th centuries.

In 1847, the first Vegetarian Society was founded in England;[21] Germany, the Netherlands and other countries followed. The International Vegetarian Union, a union of the national societies, was founded in 1908. In the Western world, the popularity of vegetarianism grew during the 20th century as a result of nutritional, ethical, and more recently, environmental and economic concerns.
[edit] Health benefits and concerns

Vegetarianism is considered a healthy, viable diet. The American Dietetic Association and the Dietitians of Canada have found a properly planned vegetarian diet to satisfy the nutritional needs for all stages of life, and large-scale studies have shown that "Mortality from ischemic heart disease was 24% lower in vegetarians than in nonvegetarians" [22][23][24] Necessary nutrients, proteins, and amino acids for the body's sustenance can be found in vegetables, grains, nuts, soymilk, eggs and dairy.[25]

Vegetarian diets can aid in keeping body weight under control[26][27] and substantially reduce risks of heart disease and osteoporosis.[28][28][29][29] Non-lean red meat, in particular, has been found to be directly associated with dramatically increased risk of cancers of the esophagus, liver, colon, and the lungs.[30][31] Other studies, in contrast, have shown no significant differences between vegetarians and nonvegetarians in mortality from cerebrovascular disease, stomach cancer, colorectal cancer,breast cancer, or prostate cancer, although the sample of vegetarians was small and included ex-smokers who had switched their diet within the last five years.[32]

The American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada have stated: "Vegetarian diets offer a number of nutritional benefits, including lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein as well as higher levels of carbohydrates, fibre, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals."[24] Vegetarians tend to have lower body mass index, lower levels of cholesterol, lower blood pressure, and less incidence of heart disease, hypertension, type 2 diabetes, renal disease, osteoporosis, dementias such as Alzheimer’s Disease and other disorders.[33]
[edit] Nutrition
Main article: Vegetarian nutrition
A fruit and vegetable stall in Barcelona

Western vegetarian diets are typically high in carotenoids, but relatively low in long-chain n-3 fatty acids and vitamin B12. Vegans can have particularly low intake of vitamin B and calcium if they do not eat enough items such as collard greens, leafy greens, tempeh and tofu (soy). High levels of dietary fibre, folic acid, vitamins C and E, and magnesium, and low consumption of saturated fat are all considered to be beneficial aspects of a vegetarian diet.[34][35]
[edit] Protein

Protein intake in vegetarian diets is only slightly lower than in meat diets and can meet daily requirements for any person, including athletes and bodybuilders.[36] Studies at Harvard University as well as other studies conducted in the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and various European countries, have confirmed that vegetarian diets provide sufficient protein intake as long as a variety of plant sources are available and consumed.[37] Proteins are composed of amino acids, and a common concern with protein acquired from vegetable sources is an adequate intake of the essential amino acids, which cannot be synthesised by the human body. While dairy and egg products provide complete sources for lacto-ovo vegetarians, the only vegetable sources with significant amounts of all eight types of essential amino acids are lupin, soy, hempseed, chia seed, amaranth, buckwheat, and quinoa. It is not necessary, however, to obtain protein from these sources—the essential amino acids can also be obtained by eating a variety of complementary plant sources that, in combination, provide all eight essential amino acids (e.g. brown rice and beans, or hummus and whole wheat pita, though protein combining in the same meal is not necessary). A varied intake of such sources can be adequate, a 1994 study found.[38]
[edit] Iron

Vegetarian diets typically contain similar levels of iron to non-vegetarian diets, but this has lower bioavailability than iron from meat sources, and its absorption can sometimes be inhibited by other dietary constituents. Vegetarian foods rich in iron include black beans, cashews, hempseed, kidney beans, lentils, oatmeal, raisins, black-eyed peas, soybeans, many breakfast cereals, sunflower seeds, chickpeas, tomato juice, tempeh, molasses, thyme, and whole-wheat bread.[39] The related vegan diets can often be higher in iron than vegetarian diets, because dairy products are low in iron.[35] Iron stores often tend to be lower in vegetarians than non-vegetarians and iron deficiency is thus more common in vegetarian and vegan women and children (adult males are rarely iron deficient), however, iron deficiency anaemia is rare no matter the diet.[40][41]
[edit] Vitamin B12

Plants are not generally significant sources of Vitamin B12.[42] However, lacto-ovo vegetarians can obtain B12 from dairy products and eggs, and vegans can obtain it from fortified foods and dietary supplements.[43][44] Since the human body preserves B12 and reuses it without destroying the substance, clinical evidence of B12 deficiency is uncommon.[45][46] The body can preserve stores of the vitamin for up to 30 years without needing its supplies to be replenished.[42]

The only reliable vegan sources of B12 are foods fortified with B12 (including some soy products and some breakfast cereals) and B12 supplements.[47][48] The research on vitamin B12 sources has increased in the latest years.[49]
[edit] Fatty acids

Fish is a non-vegetarian source of Omega 3 fatty acids. Plant-based, or vegetarian, sources exist such as soy, walnuts, pumpkin seeds, canola oil and especially hempseed, chia seed, flaxseed, and purslane. Purslane contains more Omega 3 than any other known leafy green. Plant foods can provide alpha-linolenic acid but not the long-chain n-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA, which are found in low levels in eggs and dairy products. Vegetarians, and particularly vegans, have lower levels of EPA and DHA than meat-eaters. While the health effects of low levels of EPA and DHA are unknown, it is unlikely that supplementation with alpha-linolenic acid will significantly increase levels.[50] Recently, some companies have begun to market vegetarian DHA supplements containing seaweed extracts. Similar supplements providing both DHA and EPA have also begun to appear.[51] Whole seaweeds are not suitable for supplementation because their high iodine content limits the amount that may be safely consumed. However, certain algae such as spirulina are good sources of gamma-linolenic acid (GLA), alpha-linolenic acid (ALA), linoleic acid (LA), stearidonic acid (SDA), eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA), docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), and arachidonic acid (AA).[52][53]
[edit] Calcium

Calcium intake in vegetarians is similar to non-vegetarians. Some impaired bone mineralisation has been found among vegans who do not consume enough leafy greens, which are sources of abundant calcium.[54] However, this is not found in lacto-ovo vegetarians.[55] Some sources of calcium include broccoli, cauliflower, beet greens, bok choy, collard greens, kale, watercress, and soy beans. Watercress, and kale are especially high in calcium.[56][57] Collard greens are high in calcium, but the calcium is bound to oxalate and therefore it is poorly absorbed.[58]
[edit] Vitamin D

Vitamin D levels do not appear to be lower in vegetarians (although studies have shown that much of the general population is deficient[59]). Vitamin D needs can be met via the human body's own generation upon sufficient and sensible UV sun exposure. Products including milk, soy milk and cereal grains may be fortified to provide a good source of Vitamin D[60] and mushrooms provide over 2700 IU per serving (approx. 3 oz or 1/2 cup) of vitamin D2, if exposed to just 5 minutes of UV light after being harvested;[61] for those who do not get adequate sun exposure and/or food sources, Vitamin D supplementation may be necessary.
[edit] Longevity

A 1999 metastudy[22] combined data from five studies from western countries. The metastudy reported mortality ratios, where lower numbers indicated fewer deaths, for fish eaters to be .82, vegetarians to be .84, occasional meat eaters to be .84. Regular meat eaters and vegans shared the highest mortality ratio of 1.00. The study reported the numbers of deaths in each category, and expected error ranges for each ratio, and adjustments made to the data. However, the "lower mortality was due largely to the relatively low prevalence of smoking in these [vegetarian] cohorts". Out of the major causes of death studied, only one difference in mortality rate was attributed to the difference in diet, as the conclusion states: "vegetarians had a 24% lower mortality from ischemic heart disease than nonvegetarians, but no associations of a vegetarian diet with other major causes of death were established."[22]

In "Mortality in British vegetarians",[23] a similar conclusion is drawn: "British vegetarians have low mortality compared with the general population. Their death rates are similar to those of comparable non-vegetarians, suggesting that much of this benefit may be attributed to non-dietary lifestyle factors such as a low prevalence of smoking and a generally high socio-economic status, or to aspects of the diet other than the avoidance of meat and fish."[62]

The Adventist Health Study is an ongoing study of life expectancy in Seventh-day Adventists. This is the only study among others with similar methodology which had favourable indication for vegetarianism. The researchers found that a combination of different lifestyle choices could influence life expectancy by as much as 10 years. Among the lifestyle choices investigated, a vegetarian diet was estimated to confer an extra 1–1/2 to 2 years of life. The researchers concluded that "the life expectancies of California Adventist men and women are higher than those of any other well-described natural population" at 78.5 years for men and 82.3 years for women. The life expectancy of California Adventists surviving to age 30 was 83.3 years for men and 85.7 years for women.[63]

The Adventist health study is again incorporated into a metastudy titled "Does low meat consumption increase life expectancy in humans?" published in American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, which concluded that low meat eating (less than once per week) and other lifestyle choices significantly increase life expectancy, relative to a group with high meat intake.[64] The study concluded that "The findings from one cohort of healthy adults raises the possibility that long-term (≥ 2 decades) adherence to a vegetarian diet can further produce a significant 3.6-y increase in life expectancy." However, the study also concluded that "Some of the variation in the survival advantage in vegetarians may have been due to marked differences between studies in adjustment for confounders, the definition of vegetarian, measurement error, age distribution, the healthy volunteer effect, and intake of specific plant foods by the vegetarians." It further states that "This raises the possibility that a low-meat, high plant-food dietary pattern may be the true causal protective factor rather than simply elimination of meat from the diet." In a recent review of studies relating low-meat diet patterns to all-cause mortality, Singh noted that "5 out of 5 studies indicated that adults who followed a low meat, high plant-food diet pattern experienced significant or marginally significant decreases in mortality risk relative to other patterns of intake."

Statistical studies, such as comparing life expectancy with regional areas and local diets in Europe also have found life expectancy considerably greater in southern France, where a low meat, high plant Mediterranean diet is common, than northern France, where a diet with high meat content is more common.[65]

A study by the Institute of Preventive and Clinical Medicine, and Institute of Physiological Chemistry looked at a group of 19 vegetarians (lacto-ovo) and used as a comparison a group of 19 omnivorous subjects recruited from the same region. The study found that this group of vegetarians (lacto-ovo) have a significantly higher amount of plasma carboxymethyllysine and advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs) compared to this group of omnivores.[66] Carboxymethyllysine is a glycation product which represents "a general marker of oxidative stress and long-term damage of proteins in aging, atherosclerosis and diabetes." "Advanced glycation end products (AGEs) may play an important adverse role in process of atherosclerosis, diabetes, aging and chronic renal failure."
[edit] Food safety

Libby Sande argued in a blog for USA Today that Vegetarianism reduces E. coli infections,[67] and in a piece for The New York Times linked E. coli contamination in food to industrial scale meat and dairy farms.[68] E. coli infections in the US during 2006 were traced to spinach and onions.[69][dead link][70]

Transmission of pathogenic E. coli often occurs via fecal-oral transmission.[71][72][73] Common routes of transmission include unhygienic food preparation[72] and farm contamination.[74][75][76] Dairy and beef cattle are primary reservoirs of the E. coli strain O157:H7,[77] and they can carry it asymptomatically and shed it in their feces.[77] Food products associated with E. coli outbreaks include raw ground beef,[78] raw seed sprouts or spinach,[74] raw milk, unpasteurized juice, and foods contaminated by infected food workers via fecal-oral route.[72] In 2005, some people who had consumed triple-washed, pre-packaged lettuce were infected with E. coli.[79] In 2007, packaged lettuce salads were recalled after they were found to be contaminated with E. coli.[80] E. coli outbreaks have been traced to unpasteurised apples,[81] orange juice, milk, alfalfa sprouts,[82] and water.[83]

Salmonella outbreaks have been traced to peanut butter, frozen pot pies & puffed vegetable snacks.[84] BSE, also known as mad cow disease, is linked by the World Health Organization to Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease in humans.[85]

There have been reports of fears of foot-and-mouth disease in sheep, PCBs in farmed salmon, mercury in fish, dioxin concentrations in animal products, artificial growth hormones, antibiotics, lead and mercury,[86] pesticide contamination of vegetables and fruits, banned chemicals being used to ripen fruits.[87][88][89] In 2005, fears that "bird flu" could be caused by eating chicken were featured in a PETA call for vegetarian diets.[90]
[edit] Medical use

In Western medicine, patients are sometimes advised to adhere to a vegetarian diet.[91] Certain alternative medicines, such as Ayurveda and Siddha, prescribe a vegetarian diet as a normal procedure.[nb 2]
[edit] Physiology

The Vegetarian Resource Group, among others, has concluded that humans are naturally omnivores based on the human ability to digest meat, as well as plant foods,[93][94] with the correspondent metabolic tendency to an adaptation that makes them need both animal and vegetable nourishment. Other arguments hold that humans are more anatomically similar to herbivores, with long intestinal tracts and blunt teeth, unlike omnivores and carnivores.[citation needed] Nutritional experts believe that early hominids evolved into eating meat as a result of huge climatic changes that took place three to four million years ago, when forests and jungles dried up and became open grasslands and opened hunting and scavenging opportunities.[95][96]
[edit] Animal-to-human disease transmissions
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The consumption of meat can cause a transmission of a number of diseases from animals to humans.[97] The connection between infected animal and human illness is well established in the case of salmonella; an estimated one-third to one-half of all chicken meat marketed in the United States is contaminated with salmonella.[97] Only recently, however, have scientists begun to suspect that there is a similar connection between animal meat and human cancer, birth defects, mutations, and many other diseases in humans.[97][98][99][100][101][102][103] In 1975, one study found 75 percent of supermarket samples of cow's milk, and 75 percent of egg samples to contain the leukemia (cancer) virus.[98] By 1985, nearly 100 percent of the eggs tested, or the hens they came from, had the cancer virus.[97][98] The rate of disease among chickens is so high that the Department of Labor has ranked the poultry industry as one of the most hazardous occupations.[97] 20 percent of all cows are afflicted with a variety of cancer known as bovine leukemia virus (BLV).[97] Studies have increasingly linked BLV with HTLV-1, the first human retrovirus discovered to cause cancer.[97] Scientists have found that a bovine immunodeficiency virus (BIV), the equivalent of the AIDS virus in cows, can also infect human cells.[97] It is supposed that BIV may have a role in the development of a number of malignant or slow viruses in humans.[97]

The proximity of animals in industrial-scale animal farming leads to an increased rate of disease transmission. Transmission of animal influenza viruses to humans has been documented, but illness from such cases is rare compared to that caused by the now common human-adapted older influenza viruses,[104] transferred from animals to humans in the more distant past.[nb 3][106][107][108] The first documented case was in 1959, and in 1998, 18 new human cases of H5N1 influenza were diagnosed, in which six people died. In 1997 more cases of H5N1 avian influenza were found in chickens in Hong Kong.[104]

Whether tuberculosis originated in cattle and was then transferred to humans, or diverged from a common ancestor infecting a different species, is currently unclear.[109] The strongest evidence for a domestic-animal origin exists for measles and pertussis, although the data do not exclude a non-domestic origin.[110]

According to the 'Hunter Theory', the "simplest and most plausible explanation for the cross-species transmission" the AIDS virus was transmitted from a chimpanzee to a human when a bushmeat hunter was bitten or cut while hunting or butchering an animal.[111]

Historian Norman Cantor suggests the Black Death might have been a combination of pandemics including a form of anthrax, a cattle murrain. He cites many forms of evidence including the fact that meat from infected cattle was known to have been sold in many rural English areas prior to the onset of the plague.[112]
[edit] Eating disorders

The American Dietetic Association indicates that vegetarian diets may be more common among adolescents with eating disorders but that the evidence suggests that the adoption of a vegetarian diet does not lead to eating disorders, rather that "vegetarian diets may be selected to camouflage an existing eating disorder."[113] Other studies and statements by dietitians and counselors support this conclusion.[nb 4][116]
[edit] Additional reasons for a vegetarian diet
[edit] Childhood IQ and diet choice

A study published in the British Medical Journal in 2007 compared children's IQ at age 10 with their having a vegetarian diet at age 30. The report did not provide information on whether or not the children were already vegetarian at the time when their IQ measurement was taken. It also noted that there was no difference in IQ among those vegetarians who ate only plants, and those who also ate chicken and fish.[117] The BBC summarised part of the results of the study, stating "Men who were vegetarian had an IQ score of 106, compared with 101 for non-vegetarians; while female vegetarians averaged 104, compared with 99 for non-vegetarians."[118] The report concluded that “Higher scores for IQ in childhood are associated with an increased likelihood of being a vegetarian as an adult.”[117] Lead researcher Catharine Gale noted that this link may not be causal, but “may be merely an example of many other lifestyle preferences that might be expected to vary with intelligence.”[118]
[edit] Ethics
Main article: Ethics of vegetarianism

Various ethical reasons have been suggested for choosing vegetarianism.
[edit] Religion
Main article: Vegetarianism and religion
Indian cuisine offers a wide range of vegetarian delicacies because Hinduism, practiced by majority of India's populace, encourages vegetarian diet. Shown here is a vegetarian thali.

Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism teach vegetarianism as moral conduct. Buddhism in general does not prohibit meat eating, while Mahayana Buddhism encourages vegetarianism as beneficial for developing compassion. Other denominations that advocate a fully vegetarian diet include the Seventh-day Adventists, the Rastafari movement and the Hare Krishnas. Sikhism[119][120][121] does not equate spirituality with diet and does not specify a vegetarian or meat diet.[122]
[edit] Hinduism
Main articles: Vegetarianism in Hinduism and Hindu dietary law
Indian Vegetable Salad containing Lemon, Tomato, Radish, Beetroot, Cucumber and Green Chillies

Most major paths of Hinduism hold vegetarianism as an ideal. There are three main reasons for this: the principle of nonviolence (ahimsa) applied to animals;[123] the intention to offer only "pure" (vegetarian) food to a deity and then to receive it back as prasad;[124] and the conviction that non-vegetarian food is detrimental for the mind and for spiritual development. Hindu vegetarians usually eschew eggs but consume milk and dairy products, so they are lacto-vegetarians.

However, the food habits of Hindus vary according to their community and according to regional traditions. Historically and currently, those Hindus who eat meat prescribe Jhatka meat.[125]
[edit] Jainism
Main article: Jain vegetarianism

Followers of Jainism believe that everything from animals to inanimate objects have life in different degree and they go to great lengths to minimise any harm to it. Most Jains are lacto-vegetarians but more devote Jains do not eat root vegetables because this would involve the killing of plants. Instead they focus on eating beans and fruits, whose cultivation do not involve killing of plants. No products obtained from dead animals are allowed. Jains hold self termination from starvation as the ideal state and some dedicated monks do perform this act of self annihilation. This is for them an indispensable condition for spiritual progress.[126][127] Some particularly dedicated individuals are fruitarians.[128] Honey is forbidden, because its collection is seen as violence against the bees. Some Jains do not consume plant parts that grow underground such as roots and bulbs, because tiny animals may be killed when the plants are pulled up.[129]
[edit] Buddhism
A vegetarian dinner at a Japanese Buddhist temple
Main article: Vegetarianism in Buddhism

Theravadins in general eat meat. If Buddhist monks "see, hear or know" a living animal was killed specifically for them to eat, they must refuse it or else incur an offense. However, this does not include eating meat which was given in alm or commercially purchased. In Theravada cannon, Buddha did not make any comment discouraging them to eat meat (except specific types, such as human, elephant, horse, dog, snake, lion, tiger, leopard, bear, and hyena flesh[130]) but he specifically refuse to institute vegetarianism in his monastic code when a suggestion has been made.

In Mahayana Buddhism, there are several Sanskrit texts where the Buddha instructs his followers to avoid meat. However, each branch of Mahayana Buddhism select what sutra to follow and some branch of Mahayana Buddhism including majority of Tibetan and Japanese Buddhism do eat meat while most of Chinese Buddhism do not eat meat.
[edit] Sikhism
Main article: Vegetarianism in Sikhism

The tenets of Sikhism do not advocate a particular stance on either vegetarianism or the consumption of meat,[131][132][133][134] but rather leave the decision of diet to the individual.[135] The tenth guru, Guru Gobind Singh, however, prohibited "Amritdhari" Sikhs, or those that follow the Sikh Rehat Maryada (the Official Sikh Code of Conduct[136]) from eating Kutha meat, or meat which has been obtained from animals which have been killed in a ritualistic way. This is understood to have been for the political reason of maintaining independence from the then-new Muslim hegemony, as Muslims largely adhere to the ritualistic halal diet.[131][135]

"Amritdharis" that belong to some Sikh sects (eg Akhand Kirtani Jatha, Damdami Taksal, Namdhari,[137] Rarionwalay,[138] etc.) are vehemently against the consumption of meat and eggs (though they do consume and encourage the consumption of milk, butter, and cheese).[139] This vegetarian stance has been traced back to the times of the British Raj, with the advent of many new Vaishnava converts.[135] In response, to the varying views on diet throughout the Sikh population, Sikh Gurus have sought to clarify the Sikh view on diet, stressing their preference only for simplicity of diet. Guru Nanak said that over-consumption of food (Lobh, Greed) involves a drain on the Earth's resources and thus on life.[140][141] Passages from the Guru Granth Sahib (the holy book of Sikhs, also known as the Adi Granth) say that it is "foolish" to argue for the superiority of animal life, because though all life is related, only human life carries more importance.

"Only fools argue whether to eat meat or not. Who can define what is meat and what is not meat? Who knows where the sin lies, being a vegetarian or a non-vegetarian?"[135]

The Sikh langar, or free temple meal, is largely lacto-vegetarian, though this is understood to be a result of efforts to present a meal that is respectful of the diets of any person who would wish to dine, rather than out of dogma.[142][135]
[edit] Judaism

A number of medieval scholars of Jewish religion (e.g. Joseph Albo) regard vegetarianism as a moral ideal, not just because of a concern for the welfare of animals, but because the slaughter of animals might cause the individual who performs such acts to develop negative character traits. Therefore, their concern was with regard to possible harmful effects upon human character rather than with animal welfare. Indeed, Rabbi Joseph Albo maintains that renunciation of the consumption of meat for reasons of concern for animal welfare is not only morally erroneous but even repugnant.[143]

One modern-day scholar who is often cited as in favour of vegetarianism is the late Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook, the Chief Rabbi of Pre-State Israel. It is indeed the case that in his writings, Rabbi Kook speaks of vegetarianism as an ideal, and points to the fact that Adam did not partake of the flesh of animals. In context, however, Rabbi Kook makes those comments in his portrayal of the eschatological (messianic) era.

According to some Kabbalists, only a mystic, who is able to sense and elevate the reincarnated human souls and "divine sparks", is permitted to consume meat, though eating the flesh of an animal might still cause spiritual damage to the soul. A number of Orthodox Jewish vegetarian groups and activists promote such ideas and believe that the halakhic permission to eat meat is a temporary leniency for those who are not ready yet to accept the vegetarian diet.[144]

Having ties with both ancient Judaism and Christianity, members of the ancient Essene religious group practiced strict vegetarianism sharing a similar belief with the Hindus'/Jains' idea of Ahimsa or "harmlessness".[145]

Translation of the Torah's Ten Commandments state "thou shalt not murder."[146][147] Some people argue that this can also be taken as meaning not to kill at all, animals nor humans, or at least "that one shall not kill unnecessarily," in the same manner that onerous restrictions on slavery in the Bible have been interpreted by modern theologians as to suggest banning the practice.[148] Although it should be noted that the very same Torah also commands people to ritually slaughter animals when killing them, and goes into precise detail on the rituals of animal sacrifices.

While it is neither required nor prohibited for Jews to eat meat, the choice must be made in regard to the ethics and ideals of Judaism"The Vegetarian Mitzvah". http://www.brook.com/jveg.
[edit] Classical Greek and Roman Thought

Ancient Greek philosophy has a long tradition of vegetarianism. Pythagoras was reportedly vegetarian (and studied at Mt. Carmel, where some historians say there was a vegetarian community), as his followers were expected to be. Socrates was reportedly vegetarian, and in his dialogue of what people, or at least Philosopher-rulers, in an ideal republic should eat, he described only vegetarian food. He specified that if meat-eating was allowed, then society would require more doctors.[149]

Roman writer Ovid concluded his magnum opus Metamorphoses, in part, with the impassioned argument (uttered by the character of Pythagoras) that in order for humanity to change, or metamorphose, into a better, more harmonious species, it must strive towards more humane tendencies. He cited vegetarianism as the crucial decision in this metamorphosis, explaining his belief that human life and animal life are so entwined that to kill an animal is virtually the same as killing a fellow human.

Everything changes; nothing dies; the soul roams to and fro, now here, now there, and takes what frame it will, passing from beast to man, from our own form to beast and never dies...Therefore lest appetite and greed destroy the bonds of love and duty, heed my message! Abstain! Never by slaughter dispossess souls that are kin and nourish blood with blood![150]

[edit] Christianity
Main article: Christian vegetarianism

Jesus ordered his apostles to catch and prepare meals with fish[151] and he famously fed 5000 people with five loaves of bread and two fish.[152] Since no other kind of meat is mentioned, and since some of the apostles (and possibly Jesus) may have taken the Nazarite vow, it is surmised that Jesus was a pescetarian.[153]

While vegetarianism is not a common practice in current Christian culture, except by traditional monastics and by other Orthodox at least during 'fast' times,[154] the concept and practice have scriptural and historical support. According to the Bible, in the beginning, humans and animals were vegetarian.(Genesis 1:29–30) Immediately after the Flood, God permitted the eating of meat. (Genesis 9:3)

There is also a strong association between the Quaker tradition within Christianity and vegetarianism dating back at least to the 18th century. The association grew in prominence during the 19th century, coupled with growing Quaker concerns in connection with alcohol consumption, vivisection and social purity. The association between the Quaker tradition and vegetarianism, however, becomes most significant with the founding of the Friends' Vegetarian Society in 1902 "to spread a kindlier way of living amongst the Society of Friends."[155]
[edit] Islam
See also: Islam and animals

Followers of Islam, or Muslims, have the freedom of choice to be vegetarian for medical reasons or if they do not personally like the taste of meat. However, the choice to become vegetarian for non-medical reasons can sometimes be controversial. Though some more traditional Muslims may keep quiet about their vegetarian diet, the number of vegetarian Muslims is increasing.[156]

Vegetarianism has been practiced by some influential Muslims including the Iraqi theologian, female mystic and poet Râbi‘ah al-‘Adawîyah of Basrah, who died in the year 801, and the Sri Lankan sufi master Bawa Muhaiyaddeen who established The Bawa Muhaiyaddeen Fellowship of North America in Philadelphia.[157]

In January 1996, The International Vegetarian Union announced the formation of the Muslim Vegetarian/Vegan Society.[158]

Many omnivore Muslims will select vegetarian options when dining in non-halal restaurants. However, this is a matter of not having the right kind of meat rather than preferring not to eat meat on the whole.[156]
[edit] Rastafari

Within the Afro-Caribbean community, a minority are Rastafarian and follow the dietary regulations with varying degrees of strictness. The most orthodox eat only Ital or natural foods, in which the matching of herbs or spices with vegetables is the result of long and skillfully laid down tradition originating from the African ancestry and cultural heritage of Rastafari.[159] Most Rastafarians are vegetarian. Utensils made from natural material such as stone or earthenware are preferred.
[edit] Environmental
Main article: Environmental vegetarianism

Environmental vegetarianism is based on the concern that the production of meat and animal products for mass consumption, especially through factory farming, is environmentally unsustainable. According to a 2006 United Nations initiative, the livestock industry is one of the largest contributors to environmental degradation worldwide, and modern practices of raising animals for food contributes on a "massive scale" to air and water pollution, land degradation, climate change, and loss of biodiversity. The initiative concluded that "the livestock sector emerges as one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global."[160]

In July 2009 Nike and Timberland stopped buying leather from deforested Amazon Rainforest [161] a few weeks after Greenpeace report demonstrated the destruction caused by Amazon cattle ranchers. According to Arnold Newman every hamburger sold results in destruction of 6.25m2 of rain forest.[162]

In addition, animal agriculture is a large source of greenhouse gases and is responsible for 18 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions as measured in CO2 equivalents. By comparison, all of the world's transportation (including all cars, trucks, buses, trains, ships, and planes) emits 13.5 percent of the CO2. Animal farming produces 65 percent of human-related nitrous oxide and 37 percent of all human-induced methane. Methane has about 21 times more Global Warming Potential (GWP) than carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide has 296 times the GWP of CO2.[163]

Animals fed on grain, and those that rely on grazing, need far more water than grain crops.[164] According to the USDA, growing the crops necessary to feed farmed animals requires nearly half of the United States' water supply and 80 percent of its agricultural land. Additionally, animals raised for food in the U.S. consume 90 percent of the soy crop, 80 percent of the corn crop, and a total of 70 percent of its grain.[165]

When tracking food animal production from the feed trough to consumption, the inefficiencies of meat, milk and egg production range from 4:1 up to 54:1 energy input to protein output ratio. This firstly because the feed first needs to be grown before it is eaten by the cattle, and secondly because warm-blooded vertebrates need to use a lot of calories just to stay warm (unlike plants or insects).[166] An index which can be used as a measure is the efficiency of conversion of ingested food to body substance, which indicates, for example, that only 10% is converted to body substance by beef cattle, versus 19–31% by silkworms and 44% by German cockroaches.[166] Ecology professor David Pimentel has claimed, "If all the grain currently fed to livestock in the United States were consumed directly by people, the number of people who could be fed would be nearly 800 million."[167] To produce animal based food seems to be, according to these studies, typically much less efficient than the harvesting of grains, vegetables, legumes, seeds and fruits. However, this would not apply to animals that are grazed rather than fed, especially those grazed on land that could not be used for other purposes. Nor would it apply to cultivation of insects for food, which may be more environmentally sustainable than eating food coming from cattle farming.[166] Meat produced in a laboratory (called in vitro meat) may be also more environmentally sustainable than regularly produced meat.[168]

According to the theory of trophic dynamics, it requires 10 times as many crops to feed animals being bred for meat production as it would to feed the same number of people on a vegetarian diet. Currently, 70 percent of all the wheat, corn, and other grain produced is fed to farmed animals.[169] This has led many proponents of vegetarianism to believe that it is ecologically irresponsible to consume meat.[170] Rearing a relatively small number grazing animals is often beneficial, as observed by the Food Climate Research Network at Surrey University, which reports, "A little bit of livestock production is probably a good thing for the environment".[171]
“ The UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) has estimated that direct emissions from meat production account for about 18% of the world's total greenhouse gas emissions. So I want to highlight the fact that among options for mitigating climate change, changing diets is something one should consider. ”

— Rajendra Pachauri,[172] Chairman, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

In May 2009, Ghent was reported to be "the first [city] in the world to go vegetarian at least once a week" for environmental reasons, when local authorities decided to implement a "weekly meatless day". Civil servants would eat vegetarian meals one day per week, in recognition of the United Nations' report. Posters were put up by local authorities to encourage the population to take part on vegetarian days, and "veggie street maps" were printed to highlight vegetarian restaurants. In September 2009, schools in Ghent are due to have a weekly veggiedag ("vegetarian day") too.[173]
[edit] Labour conditions

Some groups, such as PETA, promote vegetarianism as a way to offset poor treatment and working conditions of workers in the contemporary meat industry.[174] These groups cite studies showing the psychological damage caused by working in the meat industry, especially in factory and industrialised settings, and argue that the meat industry violates its labourers' human rights by assigning difficult and distressing tasks without adequate counselling, training and debriefing.[175][176][177][178] However, the working conditions of agricultural workers as a whole, particularly non-permanent workers, remain poor and well below conditions prevailing in other economic sectors.[179] Accidents, including pesticide poisoning, among farmers and plantation workers contribute to increased health risks, including increased mortality.[180] In fact, according to the International Labour Organization, agriculture is one of the three most dangerous jobs in the world.[181]
[edit] Economical

Similar to environmental vegetarianism is the concept of economic vegetarianism. An economic vegetarian is someone who practices vegetarianism from either the philosophical viewpoint concerning issues such as public health and curbing world starvation, the belief that the consumption of meat is economically unsound, part of a conscious simple living strategy or just out of necessity. According to the WorldWatch Institute, "Massive reductions in meat consumption in industrial nations will ease their health care burden while improving public health; declining livestock herds will take pressure off rangelands and grainlands, allowing the agricultural resource base to rejuvenate. As populations grow, lowering meat consumption worldwide will allow more efficient use of declining per capita land and water resources, while at the same time making grain more affordable to the world's chronically hungry."[182]
[edit] Psychological

The "Appeal to nature" logical fallacy invites one to believe that something is good or right because it is natural.[183]

A metaphor has been presented by Douglas Dunn: that if one gives a young child an apple and a live chicken, the child would instinctively play with the chicken and eat the apple, whereas if a cat were presented with the same choices, its natural impulse would be the opposite.[184] Omnivorous and comparatively human-like species such as chimpanzees' offspring may not instinctively kill a prey animal, such as a Senegal Bushbaby, when presented with one and a piece of fruit either.[185] In a similar assertion, vegetarian Scott Adams wrote humorously: "...a live cow makes a lion salivate, whereas a human just wants to say 'moo' and see if the cow responds."[186]

This same non-predatory inter-species interaction can be seen in adult chimpanzees, which have been seen toying with other animals without regarding them as prey and even occasionally socialising with other species.[187]
[edit] Cultural
Taiwanese Buddhist cuisine

People may choose vegetarianism because they were raised in a vegetarian household or because of a vegetarian partner, family member, or friend.

Limited vegetarianism has appeal for some young people in Western societies. A 2007 University of Michigan Medical School experiment on the diffusion of memes included an attempt to encourage limited vegetarianism.
[edit] Demographics
[edit] Gender

A 1992 market research study conducted by the Yankelovich research organisation claimed that "of the 12.4 million people [in the US] who call themselves vegetarian, 68 percent are female while only 32 percent are male."[188]

At least one study indicates that vegetarian women are more likely to have female babies. A study of 6,000 pregnant women in 1998 "found that while the national average in Britain is 106 boys born to every 100 girls, for vegetarian mothers the ratio was just 85 boys to 100 girls."[189] Catherine Collins of the British Dietetic Association has dismissed this as a "statistical fluke".[189]

There is speculation that diets high in soy, due to high isoflavone content, can have a feminising effect on human infants due to their action as phytoestrogens. Proponents of this theory claim that diets high in isoflavones promote earlier onset of female puberty and delayed male puberty.[190] However, a 2001 study conducted by the University of Pennsylvania found no significant differences in the later onset of puberty between infants raised on soy-based formula and cow milk formula.[191]
[edit] Country-specific information
Labeling used in India to distinguish vegetarian products (left) from non-vegetarian ones (right).
Main article: Vegetarianism in specific countries

Vegetarianism is viewed in different ways around the world. In some areas there is cultural and even legal support, but in others the diet is poorly understood or even frowned upon. In many countries food labelling is in place that makes it easier for vegetarians to identify foods compatible with their diets.

In India, which has more vegetarians than the rest of the world combined (399 million as of 2006),[192] not only is there food labelling, but many restaurants are marketed and signed as being either "Vegetarian" or "Non-Vegetarian". People who are vegetarian in India are usually Lacto-vegetarians, and therefore, to cater for this market, the majority of vegetarian restaurants in India do serve dairy products while eschewing egg products. Most Western vegetarian restaurants, in comparison, do serve eggs and egg-based products.
[edit] See also

* Fruitarian
* List of diets
* List of vegetarians
* Meat-free day
* Veganarchism
* Vegetarian cuisine
* Vegetarian Diet Pyramid
* Vegetarian or vegan cat food
* Template:User Vegetarian

#203 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:34pm by 8trickster8

I...I think I love you, 203.

#209 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:42pm by Sgt_Pineapple

No one gives a shit; do something useful with tour time instead of annoying people.

#231 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:54pm by Batman4890

YDI for compromising your principles over something as silly as a bet.

#111 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:09am by tkarin

You were never a good vegetarian if you were willing to give it up for a bet.

And in other news, its hypocritical to be a vegetarian and not a vegan as the dairy industry directly supports the meat industry (male calves go directly to the veal industry).

#112 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:15am by daymare

smd hippie crap

#114 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:17am by qwerty3210

It's OK, you only had McDonalds. I'd say you're still a vegetarian because I doubt that garbage they use to make their products qualifies as meat.

#126 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:35am by ihatestupidppl

you are the worst kind of person, fuck I hate you right now

#129 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:37am by caramalcod

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#130 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:41am by ohgosh_noooo

YDI for it being a big mac instead of some quality meat. Go eat at a kosher deli or something.

#131 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:42am by wyld3fyr3

hahaha, you're so stupid! you shouldn't eat that anyway, if u didn't want to, no one would make you eat that. or u shouldn't bet about that

#132 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:44am by murhaaja

YDI for accepting a dumb bet when it comes to real, deep convictions. I've been a vegetarian for five years and I wouldn't accept any bet about eating meat.

#133 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:46am by csd

wow...everyone on here is so defensive and angry. :o. deep breathes people. u can do it.

#135 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:48am by just_sammie27

and how exactly is your life fucked?

#136 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:54am by thisbrokenpuzzle

You could be the mascot for McDonald's like Jared is for Subway!

Instead of a fattie attaining fitness on their food, you were a vegetarian who was converted to omnivorism by the deliciousness of Mickey D's.

#137 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:54am by perdix

y wuld u make a bet on it?

#139 - On 01/29/2010 at 9:56am by rjisreal

Well if you think about it Big Mac's don't contain real meat, so technically the bet was null and void :]

#140 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:01am by jessikahh

O.o Mad cow disease ? lighten up people :D

#143 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:05am by Sekococo

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#144 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:07am by clockworkrainbow

yeah babe!!!!! meat!!!!

#149 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:22am by butlerreid

Hey #102, if 1% of America gave a crap about how much cow we ate, then we'd still eat meat, nothing can change that. MEAT!!

#151 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:31am by uggggh

When I say Hilshire You Say Farm! HILSHIRE...FARM....GO MEAT!!!! (haha...sorry i LOVE that commercial...and your MEAT in all caps reminded me of it! )

#154 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:35am by UTgirl47

im majoring in Agriculture: Food Science and Technology and this whole thing is pretty much pointless...even the little things we dont think about...like where red coloring for foods and some clothes comes from (its called Cochineal...and it takes 70,000 of a certain type of beetle from south america to make a pound...this is what we use for any red food...milkshakes...beverages...ect.) And "Natural Flavors" means some sort of meat, bug, or animal by-product. Marshmellos even have animals bones in them in order to make them puffy. and the list goes on...In my opinion its just the way life is...farmers have to make money too you know...and they HAVE to milk thier cows...what else should we do with that milk? IM from Tennessee and When you grow up around agriculture and farms...you just learn to eat what they give you and not complain. :)

#152 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:33am by UTgirl47

The milk would go to the source it was intended for- their calves. Do humans produce milk when they haven't given birth? No. Cows don't either. Dairy cows are kept pregnant all of the time and their offspring are either used to produce milk if they're female or are raised for veal if male. It's not as if cows produce this neverending supply of milk and we're doing them a favor by drinking it. Farmers keep cows pregnant, therefore they keep producing milk. That's how it works.

#167 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:14am by ZeroCharisma

Humans can lactate without giving birth, and indefinitely if they keep feeding. They don't need to be kept pregnant to keep lactating.

#191 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:03pm by Twinklestar

True, but they also don't need to keep lactating to be allowed to survive. The average dairy cow lasts 4-5 years before slaughter. Sounds like quite fun life!

#205 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:37pm by vegan123

Cows produce way More milk than the cav needs...And a cow produces milk for many months after birth. some can even continue to lactate for 18 months. And true dairy farmers are never cruel to thier animals...i have many friends and relatives who are dairy farmers...including my gradnparents...In fact...dariy cows are probablly the most well treated animals on the planet asside from dogs. Each farmer has an entire team of vets and workers assigned to thier cows. We as a country have doen this to ourselves for huminizing animals...we have too many cartoons and such where cows and other animals act as humans. And the Chick-fil-a cows dont help. Ive grown up around it...i would know. I told a friend of mine who happens to own a ranch about some of these things the other day...i thought he was going to die laughing..."the modern world is ignorant of what goes on our farms" READ JAMES HARRIOT PEOPLE ...greatest books ever.

#215 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:06pm by UTgirl47

Milk does go to the calves, dairy cows produce more milk then their calves could ever drink, so instead of letting the mother be with the calf and have her produce tons of milk that the calf can't keep up with, and subsquently allow the cow the be in pain from her udder being so full and ultimately get an infection they are milked so that humans can have thier milk.

#222 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:34pm by Kriket

yeaaaaaaa fuckin big macs rule see what you been missin out on ?

#153 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:35am by jj79242

Will people stop saying vegan instead of vegetarian? IT ISN'T THE SAME THING.

#155 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:38am by ItisMyOpinion

Too many negative votes, comment buried. Show the comment.

twinkle star shut ur cock sucker

#156 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:38am by jj79242

jj79242 Make sure your text complies with our rules
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#160 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:48am by ItisMyOpinion

You shouldn't have made that bet if there was ANY chance you might have to eat meat. YDI!
Oh ya-I'm a vegetarian as well, and I would NEVER make that bet!

#157 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:41am by darkmis1

Again with the advertising. FY.

#158 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:45am by Cartain

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#159 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:45am by wilshires1

If you think that was good try Carls jr's Guacamole burger, it will change your life.

#162 - On 01/29/2010 at 10:53am by amatayo

Big deal ive been a vegeterian for about 10 years also and everytime i go to MCD'S i always crave a big Mac, doesnt mean ill ever try it again though unless i made a dumb bet! also after youve been a vegeterian for so long you really woldnt be able to handle meat in your stomach anymore without getting sharp pains and stomach ache!! YDI FOR EATING A COW!

#163 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:05am by purplekites

First I am on the app and cannot tell the OPs gender. Second, I have been a veggitarian for just as long. I get that it will taste good. I didn't become a veggitarian because I hate the taste if meat. I did it to change how I view myself. And yes ONE veggitarian may not change much - but 150 cows a year - but millions of kind people who choose to live like me do change it hugely. So it's your own choice but how long have you REALLY been veggitarian? If you folded so quickly on a bet. . .

#168 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:20am by bonesbaby

Kind people like you?
Are you pointing out that:

a. You are a kind person
b. All vegetarians are kind
c. Those who aren't vegetarians are not kind

#171 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:27am by Boddmon

No option d) there Boddmon, but can I phone a friend please?

#172 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:29am by pendatic

I'll be your friend, you can phone me ;)

#173 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:31am by Boddmon

LOL, thanks most kindly, but you set the question so I can't!

#187 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:57am by pendatic

That's okay you can call me anyway.
;)

For all the homophones out there reading this.. NEWS FLASH: I'M ONLY KIDDING!

#195 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:14pm by Boddmon

no shit sherlock they are made to taste nice weather you are veggi or not

#170 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:23am by Batman4890

OP is not a vegetable just a vegetarian.

#175 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:33am by Boddmon

hehe

#185 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:51am by dot1777

Good, that is all.

We're simply on top of the foodchain, not becuse our amazing strength, speed, or overall looks, but becuse we know how to create tools and use them. If I chose to use said tool to 'murder' myself a cow, cut it up into nice, cookable pieces and eat it with a glass of milk from said cow, I would be doing nothing but being natural.

Eating plants, while also natural, is simply a part of a much bigger picture. It's just as wrong to only eat plants as it is to only eat meat, or correction: It's unnatural, like a cow singing opera or a whale operating the new iPhone.

#176 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:34am by Kezool

good thing you didn't bet on eatin a big carl. it has almost twice the meat for way less cash. oh and you wouldn't have just loved it, you woulda had your first orgasm too! hooray for shameless plugs!

#180 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:44am by Tonsy

You should actually feel pretty lucky. Not having meat in your body for 8years then suddenly eating something as unhealthy as mcdonalds meat could of really made you sick.

#183 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:47am by yessirfosho

Also you should never accept a bet if you cant handle what comes withlosing.

#184 - On 01/29/2010 at 11:50am by yessirfosho

not eating meat due to cruelty is a contradictive life if you live in any man made shelter, as to build that house required some sort of cruelty as well as maintaining it.

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

#188 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:01pm by SubjectX

YDI for being a big gay attention seeking vegetarian cop yourself on!

#189 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:02pm by Darraghscoot

the fml should be that you writhed in pain for hours afterward from the stomach cramps you would inevitably get after not eating meat for so long.

#192 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:08pm by oh_darling

you deserve it. I'd understand if you just became a vegeterian but come on. 8 years? that's just stupid making a bet like that. you're weak.

#193 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:11pm by fmlmegaaa

don't feel bad. humans are genetically programmed to love the taste of meat and stuff. it dates back to our caveman days.

#194 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:13pm by fuzz97

Then you're not a vegetarian. Are you also opposed to murder of human beings? What if you lost a bet and had to eat a human burger? I bet that grosses you out even more, so you obviously never were a vegetarian. If I had to choose between a beef burger and a human burger, it'd be human all the way. Fuck people, they deserve it for destroying the planet. So enjoy your Big Mac carnivore.

#196 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:15pm by Mumblstiltskin

mmmmmmm humannn..

#198 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:19pm by Boddmon

about time you grew up and acted like a real human

#197 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:16pm by acama23

I think this is fake. I haven't eaten red meat in about 3 years. My mom made a pot of sauce not that long ago and absentmindedly I had some. It had meat in it. I spent the next few hours sicker than sick (throwing up, diarrhea, etc) and even the next day my stomach still ached. After a certain amount of time, your body stops producing the enzymes needed to break down meat since they are no longer being used (if you don't eat meat that is). I'm sure there is a way to wean yourself back on to being able to eat meat, but you can't just eat a big mac and say "wow, that was great! I feel wonderful!" You would feel like shit before you even finished it probably.

#200 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:28pm by r_u_lost

just so u know mcdonalds burgers are actually mostly soy, thats why u have to flash cook them and not grill them. due to the amount of soy the burgers just fall apart. and just because someone is a vegetarian does not make you a pussy, i mean look at rob zombie. he became a vegetarian in high school but that dude still kicks ass and is an awesome guy to talk to, if you ever get to meet him.

#202 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:33pm by lroy666

no. just no. McDonald's burgers are beef. soy costs more than mass produced beef, and the ingredients are listed as beef. Its simply more cost effective to use beef than soy. Not to mention the potential law suits from using soy and calling it 100% beef would be devastating. Get your facts straight or at least use your brain before opening your mouth.

#230 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:53pm by RustyGuy

i've never actually had a big mac

#204 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:36pm by rosierosierosie

BA DA BA BA BAHHHHHH IMMA LOVIN IT!

#206 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:37pm by DOEETFORTEHLULZ

ha. welcome to the world of meat OP. having friends who haven't eaten meat for a while and then decided to though, my advice is take it slow on the meat eating =).

to mumblstiltskin, you make it sound like eating meat is a bad thing when in fact, it is great for your body if you balance it with everything else in your diet. and that's ridiculous to go to such an extreme. human flesh is awful for our bodies and is known to spread disease. you totally blew that way out of proportion. lighten up dude. it's not like the OP told you to eat meat.

#208 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:40pm by hummingbug

meat is good

#210 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:45pm by pabloinbama

yeah you totally deserved It. most vegeterians don't eat meat to pretend that their better than all the rest of us just because their compromising thier health to be a bitch

#211 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:46pm by socaldgaf69

The thing I don't understand about moral vegetarianism: why is an animal worth saving when it is abused and becomes meat, but not when it is abused and produces milk/eggs/etc? If you're choosing to not support one and support the other, wouldn't it be better to not support the animal they raise and keep alive then the one they raise to die?

On a different note: Of course you're going to like meat, you became a vegetarian for 'moral' reasons, not because you didn't like meat... although I'm unsure how much a Big Mac qualifies as meat

#212 - On 01/29/2010 at 12:59pm by containsnosoy

Although I won't get too deep into debate about this since this website isn't for that, I will say that every little bit can help. It's not about the animals, necessarily, it can be about health or the environment. Any nutrients and vitamins most people need can come from many sources other than meat. But the biggest issue I see vegetarian helping is the environmental one. We use countless more resources to raise and produce meat than we do to grow crops. It's just economically sound to be a vegetarian or vegan.

#217 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:11pm by Tomaino

Don't get me wrong, I can understand vegetarianism/veganism and am not against them or anything. I'm questioning more of why people who are vegetarian for moral reasons choose to not eat meat, but eat eggs/milk/butter/anything coming from an animal that isn't meat instead of the other way around. I wonder if it were better to not support the animals they abuse and keep alive (for milk/eggs/butter/etc) than the animals they abuse and kill (meat).
Does that make sense?

I like how you mention the difference in resources used. That's a good point, I never thought about that. :D

#223 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:35pm by containsnosoy

I have to say that I think this doesn't count as a FML. I'm a vegetarian and I'm not the kind of person who goes flaunting it around crazy about it, in fact most of my friends don't even realize that I am one. But if it's something that was important to you and your lifestyle, you wouldn't have frittered it away with a "bet."

"Today, I had moral superiority over my friends but I gave it up of my own free will. FML."

No. It wasn't that big of a deal to you if you were just throwing it out the window anyway so no loss here for you.

Except that if you really haven't eaten any meat in 8 years, then suddenly chowed down on a Big Mac, you'd have really bad stomach problems. Again, your own fault, though. 100%.

#213 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:02pm by Tomaino

welcome back to the dark side :)
#203 ur a fucking loser. thanks for wasting 30 seconds of my screen.

#214 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:03pm by LandyPants

why are there so many people against Veggies?? In no way does it affect you directly if some other person doesn't eat meat. Get over yourselves.

#216 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:07pm by Vegangirl

Right? It's like someone dumped a bucket of raw meat on this thread -.-

#219 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:22pm by mercyFML

big mac doesn't have meet at all. it's a synthetic substitute that smells and looks like meet aka hormone. Bon appetit!!

#218 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:18pm by Phallus

Mmmm... meat...

#220 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:30pm by piqqu

being vegan is retarded. eat some good food already!

#221 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:33pm by distantg

You would probably be in the hospital right now, OP, not typing to FML. If this were true. This shouldn't have made it on here for excessive OP and post STUPIDITY. What are we supposed to feel bad for? That you gave up your values on the risk of a bet? That you enjoyed the food you ate?

The only fml here is that, in fact if this is true, you are in indescribable pain right now...but that's still a ydi.

And, also, still think it's hilarious that the people who eat meat are always absolutely railing against veggies when, um, ya think you guys are the ones being vitriolic and preachy? With this moral superiority shit? Really? We choose not to eat meat like you choose to eat it. I'm starting to think there's some like repressed guilt or something...amen #216. Ya might wanna think about getting over your own moral superiority and try to deal with the fact that people make different choices than you do.

#224 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:37pm by dontpanic

if you were going to blow your vegetarian status to hell you should've. gone for a better burger. big macs suck.

#225 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:37pm by subcultured

Oh Noez! Meat is murder! You like the taste of hamburgers (like 99% of the population). Stop being a self righteous vegetarian and get over it.

#228 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:45pm by fxdxhk90

You can be against animal cruelty without being a vegetarian...

#229 - On 01/29/2010 at 1:48pm by See_Air_Ah

Vegetarianism is an idealist mindset. It's something with a good purpose and all that behind it, but it is extremely hard to implement. Kudos to those who can do it. Personally, I enjoy meat a lot and think it's an important part of a diet, but generally, I eat meat only once or twice a week. The gap between "meat-eaters" and blunt vegetarians is far too large - people should realize they can eat LESS meat. All that moral superiority stuff, not helpful. I merely inform people of that if they're conserned, they can eat less meat, and them a couple of recipes or something. None of that "YOU DAMNED BRUTE MURDERER" and "I'M BETTER THAN YOU" crap no one wants to hear.

Now, for the OP: Woah, stupid betting. You deserved it.

#233 - On 01/29/2010 at 2:01pm by TuucciZ

YDI FOR COMPROMISING YOUR VALUES.

#234 - On 01/29/2010 at 2:02pm by cruncheweezy

Did it make you vomit?

#236 - On 01/29/2010 at 2:08pm by carsonkerr

good for you.

#237 - On 01/29/2010 at 2:11pm by deese64

it's ok macdonalds probably doesn't even make their burgers with real meat.

#238 - On 01/29/2010 at 2:12pm by chikiitaaa

Why would you bet with your values? You obviously aren't truly that comitted.

#241 - On 01/29/2010 at 2:14pm by FML_FYL_2009

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