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By Anonymous - / Wednesday 21 January 2015 11:57 / United States - Howell
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Record him saying all of that, make 100% sure that it saved, and then call his parents and tell them to come home immediately to show them the video. That shit's not cool and he needs some serious discipline. (Make sure he doesn't know you recorded him and doesn't have access to your phone so he can't delete it).

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#112. The hell it is. Maybe recording them unknowingly and make money from the video or recording them by way of voyeurism. You can record anyone if they're doing something illegal to protect yourself, such as in this case. YouTube is riddled with videos from all over the world of people being recording unknowingly. Wouldn't YouTube not allow videos like that if it were illegal? Cops record peeps on their stings. If it were illegal those types of videos wouldn't be accepted as evidence.

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It is actually illegal in 11 states in the US to record conversations in person or by telephone without the consent of all parties present. California is one of them, although I read that there's an exception when the recorder thinks he's recording evidence of a serious crime or if there's no reasonable expectation of privacy. Michigan, where the OP is, is not one of them. The point is, your assertion that it's not illegal anywhere is factually incorrect.

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@130 well I would rather be knocked with a misdemeanor than a felony, RSO list, and being unable to get a job in this situation... Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't isn't it?

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You guys are missing one thing in this hypothetical situation. The person being recorded is 11 years old. A former history teacher of mine put it eloquently; "minors have less rights under the U.S. Constitution than convicted felons in prison". So, unless the laws in Michigan are different from the rest of the country, this child can be recorded without his permission or knowledge and OP would not have to worry about any misdemeanor charge.

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Definitely! I don't think the job is worth that...if you call them as soon as they left then there should be no doubt to them you're telling the truth, but I'd still record it next time you "get in his way" enough for him to threaten you. I'd leave regardless though, since I feel the child would still "cry wolf".

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Telling the parents wouldn't do anything. If you had a kid, who would you believe? Your child that said their babysitter did something sexual to them, or the babysitter that says your child is a liar?

Record him saying all of that, make 100% sure that it saved, and then call his parents and tell them to come home immediately to show them the video. That shit's not cool and he needs some serious discipline. (Make sure he doesn't know you recorded him and doesn't have access to your phone so he can't delete it).

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18-- he's a kid now. but give it 5 or so years and he'll be a young adult. and if he's already thinking like this at a young age, just imagine what he'll be like older. he needs to be stopped, disciplined, and redirected!

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It sounds to me like this kid knows exactly what he is saying and how to manipulate people #26. And it is completely necessary to record this shit otherwise the parents won't believe that their little angel would ever say such things.

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#18 it is completely neccessary. Threatening to lie and put his babysitter on the sex offenders list needs serious consequences. Being on the sex offenders list is no joke and can ruin alot of opportunities for OP.

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False accusations like that can ruin people. Once you've been accused of something like that it doesn't go away. Even if you're never convicted of anything, a lot of people will still question you. If you have a job working with kids and have been falsely accused of that it can ruin your career. Complaints will come in from worried parents about a teacher who still has a job after being accused. Good luck finding another babysitting job if you've been accused as well. It may seem harsh because it's just a kid, but I think it's harsh to ruin someone's career over a kid who was given too much leniency.

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ummm, yes harsh punishment is required. I dunno about you, but when I was that age I didnt even dare threaten someone like that. that kid could potentially ruin OP's life. Even as a joke, thats never okay. dont raise your kids to be manipulative little shits guys, why do you think this country sucks so much?

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If the parents reacted badly, illegally recording their child could be actionable. Just something to be aware of. Unfortunately, recording someone without their knowledge is not legal in Michigan. It is one of the handful of states that require all parties in a recorded interaction to consent and be aware. Most states require only one-party consent, which means that as long as the person doing the recording is actually involved in the interaction (not, say, hiding in a closet or otherwise hidden), they can record freely, since at least one involved party (themselves) has consented. In short, if you're okay doing something in front of a person, you're okay with them recording it (though distributing/sharing that recording can still be a crime depending on context). This is the federal standard, but some states do not adhere to it.

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You know, it's kind of impossible to expect parents to raise kids absolutely perfectly. And I can almost guarantee that this kid learned this behavior from outside of the household or perhaps TV/books. Not all shitty kids have shitty parents. And not all good kids have good parents.

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What I meant was that this is like the 8th FML that I've seen where a kid has said and done shit like this. You'd think parents would be more attentive to what their kid is exposed to...

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How so when the kid is doing things like this when the parents aren't around? My point was, no parent is able to monitor their child every second of every day. Which is why most people's comments on here is advising OP to inform the parents. It's highly likely they don't know their child is doing this.

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If the kid has the twisted idea to extort their babysitter and think they can get away with it, there's obviously something very important that their parents had neglected while raising them. It's not like morals can't be taught, because sometimes they need to be.

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Besides, telling the parents doesn't always work. I've heard plenty of stories from this very site from older siblings or babysitters who've told the parents about terrible things that their kid has done, but have gone completely ignored. Some parents will refuse to accept that their child could do any wrong, and will fight tooth and nail to prove their "innocence."

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