good for your wife! no means no! it doesn't mean start harassing me...dumbasses the pair of you

I'm with the wife on this one. The best thing he can do is move on, work on himself, and give her reason to change her mind, or not, by self-improvement. Any plan or scheme is likely to backfire, because the reasons she didn't like him before are still going to be there after the plan is over. That isn't going to help anyone except her eventual lawyer for the restraining order.

She's absolutely right. There are billions of girls in the world. Tell him to find one that likes him back.

Those stupid scemes to win girls over went out with 90s sitcoms. Grow the F up, manchild; get with modern times, and be a better role model for your son. Teach him that no means no and to respect girls' boundaries before he ends up in prison.

Please stop teaching your son that "no means yes, with some convincing." We have enough rapists in the world.

she said no, multiple times, so this no ! Leave her alone !

Way to get your son with stalking charges. NO means NO. Not try harder.

Don't listen to all the naysayers, OP. You should definitely encourage your son to try and browbeat this girl/woman into loving him. In fact, help him encourage her to say yes. Get him to listen to Andrew Tate, buy him a knife or a gun, have him hide in the shadows outside her house... and when she doesn't say yes right away, blame it on her being female and send him back down the incel rabbit hole until his brain warps so badly he rapes and kills her. When he ends up in court, interrupt proceedings and argue "Women should always put out for men no matter what! My son deserves sex purely because he's a man!" He'll get off scott free like that dude who raped a girl at his college and had wasn't convicted because he "had prospects". Since you're too stupid to work this out - I wasn't being serious. Two options for you: be a good human for a change and tell him to look elsewhere, or be the piece of shit you are and become his girlfriend yourself.

Yeah, life doesn't always work like the movies bud. Way to raise your son to become a pathetic simp.

How about instead of teaching your son to ignore a girl's (woman's) no, you tell him that if a girl or woman says no, he respects it? One of the easier YDIs that doesn't involve someone getting drunk or high.