By auscop - 17/09/2009 10:57 - Australia
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Today, I got pulled over for going 10 over the speed limit, I got an $84 fine. However, since I'm a workplace Occupational Health and Safety officer and he wasn't wearing his high visibilty vest while standing on the side of the road I gave him a $250 fine. MLIA
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oh fuck you like you go exactly the speed limit at all times. fuck off. its way more risky and distracting to constantly watch your speed than to watch your surroundings while going ten over the limit...
You are all morons. Are you honestly trying to justify being angry at the cop for DOING HIS JOB and giving a guy a ticket for going 10 over? Really? If it was 5 I might understand, but really. I hope you all get hit by a bus. Preferably a bus going 10 MPH over the limit, because that's okay right?
Yeah really...think about the cop who would shoot the robber attempting to kill your family. He's such a horrible person. How dare he risk is life to safe yours. Or the fact that he might stop someone going 10 over that would then drive 2 miles before killing a kid that ran out in the road and he couldn't stop in time.
First of all it's not karma because karma is what you get for doing something morally bad/good to a person. This guy did his job so it's neither. Second, going 10 over is not a little. The law allows people go to up to 5 mph over the limit, this guy was doing double that. The officer did his job properly. FYL
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Ok, people are stupid. I hate when the argument against others who vocally express their hatred for cops is, 'what would a world without cops be like, blah blah blah'. Well it would suck but that's not what people want. Not everything is black and white, just because people hate cops, doesn't mean they don't want them to exist, they just want them to stop being petty, power abusing douche bags. I hate cops as well, do I want a world without them? No. What I want is for them to solve/prevent murders, catch buglers and rapists, stop harassing people that are not wearing seat belts and leave people that go 2 miles over the speed limit alone. Police are supposed to protect PUBLIC safety, if someone doesn't feel the need to wear a seat belt to go down the block, they shouldn't have to be punished like a child for using their own judgment. Are you hurting anyone else? No. People should be able to do whatever they want to themselves as long as they aren't hurting others in the process. It's all a scheme to make money, do you really think the cop gives two shits about your safely? People hate cops because a great majority of them are power hungry/abusing assholes. I have tons of story's as to why and all my friends do too but here is the most recent one for your approval. I got arrested and was kept in central booking for three days/nights just because I put out my cigarette TWO steps into a subway entrance which technically was still outside but according to the officer, it was on MTA property. I wasn't even in doors yet. There were no signs or anything to signify what I was doing was wrong. I was also extremely respectful and followed everything I was told to do and didn't argue while being apologetic, I explained that I just got a new job after I've been looking for two years and really couldn't afford to lose it. I still got cuffed and thrown in a cell for three days to wait to see a judge who laughed, didn't understand why I was even arrested and let me go. Because of that, I got in trouble at work because I got arrested during a work day and thrown in jail for three days, I also got fired because since I wasn't convicted of anything, they didn't give me any papers stating why I was arrested and what the outcome was nor would they give it to me so my boss thought I was lying and didn't want him to know why I was in jail, my parents had a heart attack since I was missing for three days and had to use my one phone call to tell my boss I was in jail, and tons of other crap just because cops feel the need to abuse the power they have and mess up peoples lives because they used to get beat up in school and made fun of and now they can get back at everyone. I hate cops with a passion, they have never helped me out in any way, all my experiences have been a nightmare with them and the best part is everyone has a similar story of how a police officer, who is supposed to serve and protect us, screwed us over in some way. Everyone does. Why do you think that is?
in response to #293 "tons of other crap just because cops feel the need to abuse the power they have and mess up peoples lives because they used to get beat up in school and made fun of and now they can get back at everyone. I hate cops with a passion, they have never helped me out in any way, all my experiences have been a nightmare with them and the best part is everyone has a similar story of how a police officer, who is supposed to serve and protect us, screwed us over in some way. Everyone does. Why do you think that is?" Let's dissect this part of your message... I have many, many officers in my family and friends. None of them were beat up in school or made fun of. most were actually jocks. They have no resentment towards others. Not everyone has a negative experience with cops. In fact, in my friends circle, no one has a legitimate complaint. We've all gotten our fair share of tickets. Some of us have even been arrested. Why? we broke the law. Plain and simple... it doesn't matter if it's "just a little" broken. Laws are black and white. And as for the rest of your post: if that's your attitude towards a group of people I doubt that you were respectful and courteous and did nothing to warrant being locked up. When I have an inset hatred for someone, it shows and I am very fucking disrespectful and in general not helpful
Don't stop pulling people over, they deserve to get caught and penalized. You should have given him another ticket for disrespecting a police officer.
#118 and #34. It depends on the actual speed limit you were breaking. 100 km? 10 is nothing. 15? He should not have been going at 25. I assume it's 15 because of twisted roads, schools, frequent deer/duck/animal crossings from the nearby landscape. I still went YDI though.
Dude. I don't know if that's karma or what, but that sucks. And I thought you only had to wear the HVV at night? At least that's how it is for a buddy of mine in Sydney.
What if the speed limit was 15 (school zone)? That's nearly double the limit. It doesn't specify what the speed limit was. If people don't want to follow the speed limit, they should expect tickets. That's like raping someone in public and getting upset you got arrested.
You're not thinking this through very well. Your whole point is actually completely wrong, as it does take significantly longer to stop from 25 than from 15. However, the most important aspect of the speed limit is the damage done when an impact does occur, in which cause a 25mph crash will inevitably cause more damage than at 15. Of course, there is also the convenience factor in that it is far, far easier for children to cross the road, as they will have more time to do it.
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I didn't say it takes the same amount of time, i said the differences in time make no difference. The only scenario where 15 would make a difference over 25 is if you are a terrible driver and not paying attention to whats coming ahead and have to slam on the brakes
Oops on my failure to think of the other measurements. That makes a difference, but I still stick to what I was saying. The limit was made with everything taken into consideration. It's a "limit". I understand a few mph/kph (? I guess, I'm not good with the conversion), but I think ten being unworthy of a ticket is getting ridiculous. If we want to go for the whole "no limit" thing, then sure. Otherwise, people should obey it.
Highway - 10 mph over not as big a deal Rural road / high density area - 10 mph is a big deal Go 10 over in a school zone and see how well the cops treat you. When in zones posted lower than 35 mph (school zone, hospital, strip mall) the difference of 10 mph could be the difference between hurting someone or stopping in time. "not to mention the fact the 10km/h = about 6mph, which is nothing" take that to court. I guarantee the first question asked is, "how fast were you going? what is the posted speed limit?" Try to explain how going over the speed limit is ok to do when the state / country sets the speed limit. You make a very moot point about 6 mph since in a court of law you A) are not obeying the law and B) admitting to being 6 mph over a posted speed limit
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Yeah, and the cops car automatically pulls over every one he sees whos going slightly over the limit. You sir, are the jackass, it's entirely up to the cop if he wants to be a douche and pull someone over who is barely over the limit
I'm not saying everyone should get pulled over who speeds. All I'm saying is that we all know what the speed limit is and we should take responsibility of our actions. I speed, but I'm not a child about it if I get pulled over because I realize that there is the chance that I can get pulled over when I do that.
I think you missed my point councilman. I think the hate towards cops is misplaced. Yeah they are the ones who pull you over, but if they didnt pull over anyone, the speed limits would be useless. They are just doing their jobs. why is this such a difficult concept to grasp.
"That's like raping someone in public and getting upset you got arrested." That is the dumbest logic I've heard all day. Over 85% of drivers speed... 85% of people do not rape each other. One is a brutal tragic crime that doesn't just break the law but violates the basic rights of another human being. The other isn't even a crime, its an "offense", a "moving violation". In the USA it is far less than a misdemeanor. What a horrible analogy. If you speed should you anticipate the possibility of a ticket? Sure, but clearly as a society we've come to the conclusion that its a risk worth taking because it is generally victimless, harmless, and frankly tough to be caught at. It takes an entirely different mind set and gross psychotic disconnect to commit rape. They are in no way similar. Since the OP meant km/h not mph pulling someone over for 10 over is a bit overzealous in the majority of situations. It is likely several cars drove by the cop doing more than 10 over while he was writing this guy a ticket. The poor judgment here is that the cop is not doing a very effective job at discouraging drivers who are putting people at far greater risk. Sorry OP, you may have been doing your job and can't fault you there, but YDI for not picking your battles and prioritizing properly. You should at least have given this guy a warning if the road was slow and you couldn't find anyone going faster. Just letting them know someone is watching is often enough to correct mild speeders like this.
It was a hyperbole to make a point. Obviously a moving violation and a felony aren't on the same level. My point was that people should either respect the law or expect to get their due punishment, no matter how severe or minimal the crime is. If we make allowances for small things, we would probably start to do it for more serious offenses. In my opinion, there are too many loopholes anyway. I disagree with you on one thing: It is not always a victimless crime. I'm sure these speed limits are figured based on sound logic and math to figure out what it a safe speed to go at in the area without risking unnecessary accidents. If someone speeding hits and kills someone because they couldn't stop in time, there is a victim. It may not be an every day occurrence, but there are times when it could be prevented by obeying the limit. Besides, what is so great about speeding anyway? Unless you're going on a cross-country trip, it probably won't shave any significant time off your drive. Like I say, if people don't think the laws are fair, make an effort to change them or deal with it. Hey, I don't think a lot of laws are the way they should be, but, if I break them, I expect to be punished.
god damn! i freaking hate all the police officers doing their job correctly! its so orthodox and expected!!!! what are we supposed to do!? not be able to break the law!?!?!? what kind of shit is that?!?!?!? I should be able to do whatever i want regardless of any reprocussions of my actions, even if i do kill some family!!!!!! ilovelife; do us all a favor and go crawl into a hole and kill yourself
yes, but the laws of physics say that the additional damage of a car going 70 vs. 60 (a 10 mph/kph increase) is much more than the additional damage of a car going 25 vs. 15 (a 10 mph/kph increase). Kinetic energy equals one half times mass times the square of the velocity. Due to the velocity being squared, the additional energy needing to be dissipated by going that extra mph/kph increases exponentially as the speed increases (assuming the mass stays the same). Stopping distance can also be substituted for damage in a crash as both are a direct result of the amount of kinetic energy of the vehicle.
ok intoxicunt first use common sense. The next time you drive try and grow some balls and go over the speed limit just a little. You may come to find out that everyone is goin the same or faster than you. Driving slow causes accidents too! Yea of course laws are laws but gosh, some cops are a**holes. This one deserved it he wasnt wearing his vest which could had killed him
"I'm sure these speed limits are figured based on sound logic and math to figure out what it a safe speed to go at in the area without risking unnecessary accidents." If that were true, why does my state set a maximum of 55 for all roads that aren't a federal highway? There is a lot of engineering that goes into sign placement, whether to use a stop sign or a light, etc. Not so much with the speed limits...
speed limits are there for a reason -- i actually learned how to calculate a speed limit in physics going around a curve, and 10 mph is the only amount you can (usually) go around a curve safely without any weather problems or whatever. the same holds true for roads. yes, you can go 10 mph over safely, but it is intentionally lowered on the signs so that people don't try to go 10 miles over the posted speed limit. FYL for doing your job and getting slammed for it.
I love how people jump on the cops dicks for everything. Argument ad verecundiam, much? Cops are nothing but parents put in place because society emphasizes all the wrong problems. I guess people, like councilman, like having parents for the rest of your lives. I suppose you like being a baby that doesn't think for themselves as well. Authority=abuse. Always. "Oh but they're just doing their jobs" Yep, that is definitely a good reason for why they avoid doing what's right. SHEEEEEEEEEEEP.
I would be all for reasonable speed limits. It is not reasonable when a winding dirt road has the same speed limit as a dead-straight 18 mile stretch of asphalt. It is not reasonable when the speed limit is the same day and night. It is not reasonable when speed limits do not change based on conditions. It is not reasonable to set the same speed limit for a dump truck as for a Lotus, given the drastically different 60 - 0 braking distances.
Person with atrocious grammar and spelling: "ok intoxicunt first use common sense. The next time you drive try and grow some balls and go over the speed limit just a little. You may come to find out that everyone is goin the same or faster than you. Driving slow causes accidents too! Yea of course laws are laws but gosh, some cops are a**holes. This one deserved it he wasnt wearing his vest which could had killed him" No shit, Captain Obvious, driving "slow" (by which I assume you mean significantly slower than the rest of traffic) is a hazard. I never said it wasn't. I didn't advise anyone to drive 50 on the interstate (US, as it is my only point of reference). I'm just saying that if you drive over the speed limit, you should expect to get caught. It isn't about "balls". The point of driving a vehicle is not to show how tough you are, you hyper-hormonal ball of shit. We're talking about what is safe, reasonable, and acceptable. When you can keep up with the conversation, come back. Mooneydriver: Way to miss the point entirely. I did indeed say that I believe the speed limits to be calculated based on at least some logic, as opposed to "Hey, Randy, pick a number 15-70." That isn't an indication that I think all speed limits everywhere in any country, even those I haven't been to (e.g. Australia, the OP's location) are perfectly reasonable. My point was that if someone wants the speed limit changed, they can petition, write, run for office, whatever the hell they feel would be effective to try to change it. If that fails, they have two options: Deal with it and drive the, oooooooh, ten miles per hour slower, or drive as fast as they want and be one of these "Fuck the police, I'm gonna do what I want!" types, risking the consequence. Why on earth would I pity someone for getting the consequence they knew they were risking when they took the action? Boohoo, life has consequences. Fuck my life! It's over, ruined! Seriously. Read #180. He/she sums it up well.
That is not at all true. Most if not all production cars get BETTER fuel economy at 55 than at a higher cruising speed because of parasite drag. Most production cars get their PEAK fuel economy below 55 for the same reason. Different cars get their peak fuel economy at different speeds (usually between 40-60mph). The 55mph national speed limit was set as a compromise number during the gas crisis during the 1970s. Heavy, carbureted cars were the norm.
Intoxicunt, your obey-all-laws-or-you're-an-anarchist argument is a false dichotomy. Real people are a lot more complicated than that. Real people can be generally law abiding and still refuse to obey a law they disagree with here and there. Do you really think that the average person who gets a speeding ticket is the "Fuck the police, I'm gonna do what I want!" type?
"Real people"? As opposed to fake ones? Ok, copy and paste where I said "obey all laws or you're an anarchist". Hmm, you mean I DIDN'T? Ok then. What I was saying was that only a small percentage of speeders are on some crusade to change the world like Susan B. Anthony, or are fleeing for their very lives. People who just disobey laws because they don't like authority are, essentially anarchists.
"Real people" as opposed to the two rigid types in your false dichotomy. Don't claim that I said something and put quotes around it unless it's a direct quote. That is dishonest. "Ok, copy and paste where I said 'obey all laws or you're an anarchist'" While those were not my exact words, I said you were making that argument because you were, here: "...If that fails, they have two options: Deal with it and drive the, oooooooh, ten miles per hour slower, or drive as fast as they want and be one of these 'Fuck the police, I'm gonna do what I want!' types, risking the consequence." And again just now: "People who just disobey laws because they don't like authority are, essentially anarchists." I AM saying that you present an oversimplified version of human behavior. There is a whole spectrum of options available to us, not just your "two options"
Ok intoxicunt, criticize my grammar i don't really care. I bet you're not even close to perfect. I bet you don't follow every single law. We are all humans and we make mistakes. Sometimes going over the speed limits are mistakes, because we are used to just pressing on the gas. "Growing balls" refers to taking risks and people who don't want their lives to be predictable take risks. Being tough has nothing to do with anything, where the hell did you get that from. I could give a shit how fast you drive. It's all about people's nature. If their nature is to drive fast then they are going to drive fast. It's not about being tough and breaking laws.
Ok, I am going to reply to this. If people just want to go "fast", then why don't they do 85 mph EVERYWHERE? The fact that someone always goes ten over tells me they are just pressing their luck to challenge authority. I mean, if you can go 70 when speeding on a 55 road, why can't you go 70 on the interstate? It's no longer fast enough, because it's not over the speed limit. I agree with taking risks, but not on the road. Hey, I might think it's a fun risk to take by driving drunk! That doesn't make it ok. If I want a thrill, I'll go bungee jumping. That way, only I'm at risk and I'm not causing any problem for someone else. The reason I say that you sound like you're trying to be a tough man is because you're telling me to grow some balls, as though driving is some sort of press-your-luck game of chance to get your adrenaline pumping. That is a very "look at me, I'm such a bad ass" mentality. It's just a way to get from point A to point B. I don't know why it has to be "ballsy". Should I try to inject risk into my shower routine as well?
People don't go 85 everywhere because they have COMMON SENSE, you authority hugging sheep. Just because someone goes 10 over everywhere doesn't make them a bad driver. A cop should be pulling over someone who is driving DANGEROUSLY. If someone can get through traffic at 10 MPH over safely (not cutting people off, tailgating etc.) let them. They are NOT a danger to anyone. Cops should spot danger not look for shit to do. They shouldn't have to pull people over 'because its their job'. Their job should be detecting and quashing DANGER. But please, argue some more from authority. Argumentum ad Verecundias is my favorite!
your an idiot. u can generalize all cars and trucks like that. it all depends on your rpm (revolutions per minute for you retards) and your gear ratio. if you have a lower final drive ratio, then your rpm will be lower and you can get your optimum gas mileage at 75 and 80 mph. it all depends on the vehicle. a carb'd vehicle will get best mileage at 1000 to 1500 rpm. a fuel injected vehicle will get better the lower the rpm to a point (below 700 is too low) speed has nothing to do with it
110% agreed, if you have that kind of time to waste giving a ticket for something like that, im sure 1 of the millions of drunk drivers and shit like that just got away with doing whatever they were doing while you were wasting time. That little problem cost you a bigger problem. Ydi
Ilovelife, you clearly don't love life being that 10mph over can make all the difference since the difference in time is literally a matter of life and death. It only takes five seconds of you looking away or simply going over to injure or kill someone. If you are honestly trying to justify your insanely ridiculous claim, I think a petition needs to be started wherever you are to revoke your license immediately because you sir, are a hazard and a liability to someone else's life.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA why would u give someone a ticket for going 10 over? I am from Atlanta and the cops here let drivers go by if they are going 10 over. I guess this recession makes "the law" pathetic as well.
Oh yeah sub 80 IQ's. Did you go through the police academy?? Yeah, I didn't think so. How about YOU try to shoot a runaway criminal? Or you could shoot out a tire on a car driving erratically at 80 mph? I hope that the ONE time in your life you really do need a cop to save you they do have an IQ of 75.
How the hell is this karma? OSHA guy was 10 over the limit, he was doing his job to pull him over. May not have been doing it 100% properly, but it seems like a minor infraction. I did laugh though...