By Anonymous - 23/01/2012 14:19 - United States
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88- Well that was very rude of you! The last time I checked, that is what this site is for! Expressing and voicing your opinion. You said applesauce is good. You voiced your opinion. And I'm allowed to voice mine! And I'm not going to take 'shut up' as advice from anyone.. If you wanted me to 'shut up', you should have come across it a different way! Sorry! Better luck next time, cheerbabe! :)
127, I think it's because they disagree with her position on certain topics. There are things she's said that I strongly disagree with too, but I don't think that's any reason to automatically be an asshole to her on all her comments. It's pretty immature when people play the hate game, but I've seen it happen to others as well. Just because you didn't like one of their comments, doesn't mean you immediately have to thumb down their subsequent and perfectly valid ones.
20- Dear God! Do I really have to defend the 'strippers' again?!?! Don't bash the 'strippers'! It's not degrading in any way. Unless you're prostituting yourself out, then it's perfectly legal. And it's way better than the lazy fucks who sit around and collect welfare!
83, It's only degrading if you think of it as such. You don't have to see yourself as a lesser human being to be a stripper. If you yourself are okay with it, no one can tell you otherwise. As long as all you're doing is strictly stripping, I don't see the problem with it. So I ask you, how IS it degrading? If a woman's got the body and talent for it, what's wrong with that? She can choose to be whatever she wants to be.
Your not supposed to just go around showing people your naked body whether your confident and it looks good or not. Honestly, doesn't anyone have morals anymore? People don't go to watch strippers for nice, clean family fun. It's sexual and that's supposed to be saved for your significant other.
95 I never said it was, I wanted to know how it isn't degrading, which even with your explanation still didn't give a valid reason. Just cause someone is fit and comfortable with their body, I mean a fat ugly girl or man can strip so I still ask how is it not degrading? All I see is that a human being is made to take off their clothes when someone walks by with the most money and even then they are made to do someone's bidding of sexual performances, while money is tossed at them or shoved into what little clothing they may be wear. So please tell me how it isn't degrading
106, Where is the proof that it is inherently wrong to show or see a naked body? What about places in tropical climates where it is normal to be mostly or fully naked? What makes us different from them, except culture? What about those who are only blessed physically, but not mentally? What is wrong with sexuality anyway? If a woman is old enough to make her own decisions, you have no right to judge her.
The human body is a beautiful thing. And in many different cultures, the people walk around naked. And 'strippers' go way back to biblical times. And, if you're religious, God created Adam and Eve. They were naked. That's the way that God wanted them to be. Society has made nudity 'shameful' and 'degrading'.. The way of life is to be naked. I never danced nude. I only danced topless. But either way, I am still not ashamed of it. I believe that it is all a form of art, as many true artists would agree.
Just because you believe one thing doesn't mean you should force your opinions or morals upon anybody else. I'm not forcing mine on you. I am giving a legitimate excuse as to why you should NOT discriminate someone based on their decisions. Like I said, it's all how you feel about it. You think it's degrading.. Good for you!! But many others would agree with me. Society has made nudity shameful and degrading. It is, originally, a beautiful, artistic thing. You can either shame it or appreciate it. I happen to appreciate it. :)
Nudity, sexuality and art are a far cry from shaking your tits for money while strange men get off thinking about shoving their cocks in your mouth and ass fucking you. Of course, blurring the boundries does make it easier. Opinions don't need to be respected. There is right and wrong.
Ok all those who wanna defend strippers only been zoning in on being naked, what bout the acts that go along with having to be a stripper that is what some think is degrading? Not being naked, so once again who can defend that and say its not degrading cuz I really wanna know.
Woah. I seriously didn't realize I'd offend so many people with my comment. I still stand by it but after reading comments I would like to say I think there's a big difference between art depicting naked people (which is, I agree, serious talent and beautiful) and a girl shaking her ass on a stage for guys to get off. I guess it not being naked that's my problem. It's selling yourself as a sexual object because I think women (and men) are worth more than that. I'm sure there are strippers that love their job (and thats fine) but others probably feel really horrible every night and shouldn't do that to themselves. P.S. Excuse me for not double checking my online posts for grammar and spelling. I happen to be human and make mistakes sometimes.
151, I don't quite understand what your argument is. If a woman is a stripper, it's her choice. If she feels horrible doing it, she is free to leave. If she is forced into it, that's an entirely different situation, and again, one you cannot judge the woman for. You seem to be arguing against the degradation of women, yet it's people like you who degrade them. The strippers themselves don't have to feel like shit because of their profession. Too bad some people feel the need to treat them like it. So what if they're doing it for the enjoyment of others? It doesn't inherently make them any less valuable of a human being. You can't determine the worth of a person only by how they earn their money. The only problem with stripping is all the prejudice that comes along with it. Again, personal decision, yadda, yadda. Also, 150, I think you're still confusing stripping with prostitution. They have little to do with each other.
To all of the commenters saying 'what about the acts that go along with stripping?'.. Those people are called 'prostitutes'.. They have sex for money. Once again, those are prostitutes! 'Strippers' dance for money. It's legal and legitimate. What's wrong with it? And, quite frankly, very self-empowering. And a good job to have if you're interested in making a lot of money. (Which, I think, everyone wants!) Society has made this shameful. I am a completely straight woman. But I can appreciate a naked woman or man. I appreciate the beauty in the human body. I used to think 'strippers' were nasty until I was the one on stage. You get a totally different perspective when it's you up there. As long as you're not prostituting yourself out, then you're doing just fine! There's nothing to be ashamed of. I danced for years. And for damn good reasons. To all of the close-minded people, maybe you should put yourself on stage for one minute and realize how much more differently you'll think about it!! :)
166 so then if you've danced have you ever been off staging giving men or women lapdances? Had they ever make you beg their money? Made you do something like want you to crawl on the floor and pick it up or whatever people get off on? That's what I'm asking when I talk of the acts of stripping. It's not just being on a pole up on a stage. I know the difference between a stripper and prostitute. You keep saying how the body is art and all I don't disagree but I never said anything bout that I'm talking bout the act of stripping.
181, What is your point? That if they perform a little role playing they're lesser humans? To what end? Maybe you should just open your mind, since currently you seem to be holding a view not of the objective outsider, but that of the scummy fool who holds the money.
I've read this entire conversation/argument And I've heard about religion, morals, prostitution .... Can we all just freeze for a moment. Think this through. 181 you need to take a chill pill bro. Being a stripper isn't prostitution or begging for money, there are strict restrictions at those clubs and people are not allowed to do certain things such as grab the dancers or any of that. However as its been repeated throughout this conversation/argument if the dancers that are on that stage or giving that lap dance do not find their profession degrading to them.... Why should you? Your not the one "shaking your ass" on stage ... Why do you care do much as to get into a heated argument with a dancer who clearly enjoys her profession and the human body. Good for her for standing up for herself and for the other dancers which are looked down upon due to societies label on them.
187 and 195 when did I ever say it was degrading? Im asking how it isn't cuz I can't see how cuz I've never had the perspective, yea there maybe rules but people are nasty and break them I'm asking to know and being attacked but still no one can give me an answer just complain at me, and say im calling them prostitutes and say its degrading. I can see how it CAN be but not how it CAN'T be and I would like to see both views on this topic. Idc if anyone wanna, men or women, wanna be a stripper. I'm frustrated because I asked a simple question and gotten a rant on how the human body is art and how stripper aren't prostitutes, yea I got that down already.
Yeah. I do see everyone's point of view but just like yours won't change, mine won't either. I don't think being a stripper makes you a bad PERSON but I think it is a bad profession. And with all due respect to the girl who was/ is a stripper- I could never get up on a stage and do that. I have confidence and love my body but I think the guys who go to strip clubs are just scumbag pigs looking for a way to get off and it grosses me out.
Stripping is prostitution. Sure, you're not actually having sex but, you're getting paid to perform a sexual act. If it was really about dancing, you'd be in the ballet. You have to be a fool to think stripping isn't entirely about sexual gratification and arousal. Strippers are whores.
Garnish your Ramen noodles with it. Ramen is fucking delicious. Years of food for pocket change!
Please, for the love of god, contact your finacial aid office. GET ALL THE HELP YOU CAN GET!
Actually, that doesn't always help. My mom has to sell her house and try to get a new job because the financial aid people consider us "rich." They don't take into account the cost of the school. And, for some kids they don't realize that just because they're parents have money doesn't mean they do.
That doesn't always work. My mom is a single mom of 5 girls who all still live at home. (I can't afford to live on my own). I have 3 jobs and am paying for everything myself but do not get financial aid because my mom makes to much. They don't take into consideration her bills or her children. And I can't file independently because my schools policy says I have to be 24.
Good luck with trying to get help! My brother has lived on his own for 3 years but when he asked for financial aide, he had to use both my parents income (even though they are separated and live in different cities.) Needless to say- he did not get the aide because they make too much.
Because only retards go to a 25k school for liberal arts or comminications or art when you can do that a cheap school. Employera dont care what college you go to but your real life work experience. Going to an expensive school is the same mentality as buying Apple. You do it cuz its cool and 'hip'
47, It doesn't say how much school costs, what exactly makes up the total cost, where OP works, or how much they get paid, or anything else that would allow us to make such assumptions. There's nothing to suggest OP deserves it, since we don't know their situation.
Yeah I did and after financial aid my tuitiom was free now I work as an electrical engineer for an energy company that serves over a million people. 55k a year with full benefits in only 2 years thanks to college but mainly real work experience and ive only been here 2 years. You jelly?
71 though your doing well if you went to another school with a better name you'd of started off at 55k or more instead of waiting and working 2 yrs prior for that. That why some go to an expensive school to make more starting off. Not to say you suck tho you just took a dif route to your goal
69/71 - The reason you were able to go that route has a lot to do with the profession you are going into. Some jobs look for more work experience, but others place more value on type and amount of education, as well as where it was obtained. Some careers you can go into with little education, and gain hands on experience and knowledge, but for others, there is no way to get your foot in the door without the proper credentials. You sound quite full of yourself, honestly.
I don't think it matters what school you go to. If you're an intelligent person who goes to community college and works hard you're going to do just as well as an idiot who goes to Yale and parties the whole time. I'm getting my college degree online for about $7,000 total and have had no problems finding jobs because I'm hard working, mature, and passionate about my career.
Your complaining about applesauce? Applesauce is delicious, I'd gladly eat your applesauce if you don't want to have it. Please.
I know how you feel! I didn't qualify for financial aid this quarter and now I am struggling to pay rent on top of tuition! Thank you "Dream Act". (If you haven't heard of it look it up online. It's pretty ridiculous.)