By meatballz - 16/03/2010 04:28 - United States
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u do know womens breast milk whom eat meat is actually partly toxic? also u everyone should learn to respect everyones dietry choices he'll we might even live longer than you being vegetarians..
#53: I'm all for respecting the choice to be vegetarian (or vegan, for that matter), but you're just being reactive. Any breast milk is "partly toxic" as is anything else that contains anything other than carbohydrates or water soluble vitamins. Why? Because it is possible to overdose on everything else. Any fatty acid, amino acid, vitamin or mineral, taken to excess, can kill you. Carbs and water soluble vitamins can kill you too, it's just called diabetes and kidney disease, respectively, rather than toxic buildup. So if you want to avoid toxic stuff, pro tip. Stop eating. We also don't have to put up with you for more than a month. I could also rat you out for your grammatical incompetence, but I seriously doubt you'd understand.
some of yall would make good points if I could actually understand what yall are saying. do yall proof read before submitting your comments holy cow.... I mean carrot. vegitarians can be vegitarians, but stop shoving it down other peoples throats. I like meat and you won't convince me otherwise.
omg I can't believe op was enough of an asshole to not wait for her. impatient rude moron. like WOW, I think that says a lot about your character if you are sooooo stupid and rude enough to do that on a first date and you don't even know a THING about her. just what the hell is wrong with you?
BeeSkwaird: It doesn't matter if he's paying. Would you honestly want to give up your right to choose what you're eating just because someone else is paying for it? That's just rude. Just because you pay for a meal, that does not mean you get to decide what everyone eats. The ONLY time I've ever had anyone order for me was with my friend Mikey. That's because I always had the same thing, and he knew what it was. Oh, and he paid for it every time, too. No one with any common decency would actually think they could pick the other person's food just because they're picking up the check. On a first date, you should never assume what the other person wants. You run the risk of being wrong and the OP's situation happening. This is a total YDI @ the OP.
What exactly does a vegetarian NOT get in their diet? Think before you answer. Hint: nothing. Also, OP it is highly rude to order something for someone you barely met and whose tastes you don't know. I'd be pissed if I were her, regardless of diet. OTOH, no one should pay for my meal on a date either...
I didn't say he didn't incorrectly guess what the gal values. Obviously he did. I'm only saying he shouldn't be called a moron or an asshole, and we certainly can't assume he was being impatient or rude. Just mistaken. No big deal. He can learn from it and move on. (Some girls appreciate traditional chivalry and some are offended by it, while some girls appreciate egalitarianism and others are offended by it. He just misjudged her this time.) The real issue is her attitude of entitlement. Perhaps she was right to be mad he'd order meat. But she's wrong to be mad he'd order for her, considering she wasn't even paying for it. Now THAT's rude.
#122 Clearly you haven't been a vegetarian long enough to run into the vitamin B12 deficiency that ALL human vegetarians face. It's a lack of energy that'll hit you like a ton of bricks and you'll have to start taking supplements because we can't produce it from plants alone. Vegetarianism is completely unnatural for humans. We're omnivores. That means meat too. I hate it when vegetarians shove their pretentious philosophies down my throat because I'm a murderer. It's the cycle of life. Get used to it.
#181, I think you missed the point of idkweird's response. I don't have any food allergies and will eat pretty much anything; I would be mad as hell if someone just ordered for me unless I'd told them what I wanted. It's presumptuous and, in this case, rather patronising. If you are cooking someone dinner, you get to decide what everyone eats. Otherwise, it's just rude.
B12 is contained in sufficient amounts in eggs and dairy too, provided we discuss vegetarianism and not veganism here. There is nothing chivalrous in ordering someone else's food before they disclosed to you what they'd like. Also, how can he assume she'll let him pay for her meal? Of course she was rude, what I'd have done would have been either to revoke the order, or to make him eat (and pay) two steaks.
185- Unless you hunt and kill your food yourself, I sincerely doubt you fought your way to the top of the food chain. 190- It's true that humans are omnivores, however most people eat far more meat than their bodies require. This is far less natural than vegetarianism, which can be as healthy as a omnivorous diet. Whether you are an omnivore or a herbivore a balanced diet can be achieved quite easily as most vegetarians don't just eat fruit and vegetables alone, they include grains, pulses and organic dairy produce. 201- Those cows are only alive to be eaten, maybe if we ate less meat they wouldn't cause ANY damage at all?
BeeSkwaired: Oh, I have no doubt he had good intentions. He was probably trying a little too hard with the date because he liked her so much. I honestly don't think he felt he was entitled to order for her just because he was paying. I was trying to point out that IF that were the reason, it would definitely be rude. I also believe that the girl overreacted, but I don't completely fault her for that. I definitely believe it was an extreme response, but I can understand it. To her, it was something morally wrong and against her beliefs. The closest I've come to having a date do something I found "morally wrong," was a guy who took me out and was absolutely rude to the waiter. When the waiter came by to let us know that he was sorry for the wait and the food was almost out, he replied, "well I should hope so." Then, at the end of the night, my date had cleaned his plate, so the waiter joked with him and said, "Oh, so was the food horrible?" My date responded with, "It was decent. Just because I ate it all doesn't mean I liked it. I can cook up some spaghettio's at home and they would be decent." Let's just say I was fuming and could hardly talk to him. I told him he was rude and that he totally embarrassed me. He told me he left a good tip, like that was supposed to make up for it. He apologized, and then when we were out again another night, he refused to sit somewhere that the hostess tried to seat us. At that point, I told him that if he EVER wanted to take me on a date, again, he wasn't allowed to talk to the waiters or complain. He basically got one more dinner date and then I was done. I can't tolerate people who treat serving staff that way. You aren't better than them. So, though she overreacted, it was still something that went so against her as a person. Like I said, the guy took a risk that didn't pay off. I don't think he was a jerk, but I also can't completely fault her.
I went out with a guy who insisted on telling me what I couldn't order. I would usually choose one of the cheapest items on the menu and he would tell me that I wasn't to order it because he didn't like it. I should have realized that was a warning that he had issues. By the third date, he was telling me what to wear, what to eat, what to talk about, and what he had decided my future was going to be. Maybe ordering the meat for her was just the final thing she couldn't deal with. While it wasn't an appropriate responce, it was very rude and controling of him to order for her without knowing what she wanted.
Wow, phantomofmusic! Thank goodness you got away from that. That's just creepy! I still think he was probably trying too hard, and for some reason thought it would impress the girl if he ordered for her. I doubt he was trying to be controlling, but I can definitely see why you came to that conclusion after the guy you dealt with! I'm attempting to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, but who knows his reasoning behind it?
#190 said it right. humans are omnivores. I respect peoples decisions to not eat meat, but you shouldn't say someone is a "murder" because they do. do you call your pet cat a murderer when it kills a mouse? it's just how we are designed, just like any other animal. this is like religious people saying anyone who doesn't believe in what they are going to hell, blah blah. this whole holier than thou art thing has become popular with vegetarians as well, it seems
Eating meat provides certain enzymes that help with protein synthesis, something the vegetarians don't always get if they don't pay attention to what they're eatings. but things like Leeds can help with getting the necessary enzymes for protein synthesis. and you can't really deny that meat IS murder. You are taking the life of a creature. however that doesn't make it wrong. but I think it is important to understand that you are killing another creature. I eat meat btw. it was stupid of the OP for ordering for her without knowing what she wants. it was bitchy of her to insult his dietary habits. my biggest problem with vegetarians and vegans is they have a tendency to judge us. in which my usual reaction is, "but I love the smell of leather."
I'd also argue that most meat eaters don't eat healthy, unless they only get things like grass-fed beef; a most commercial beef has HGH in it ... which is basically the same thing as ingesting weight gain pills. the same goes for those who don't eat organic. the fact is, the intake of commercially grown or raised food is more unhealthy than being a meat eat/vegetarian/vegan ..
Not really. There are a few cases (I am ever so lucky to be one of them, but other than myself I know of only two others) were a person's system is deficient and cannot absorb enough nutrients and so vegetarian diets do come with the risk of being malnourished. However, in 98% of the time, a person can live a perfectly healthy lifestyle with no meat products or artificial supplements. Think about it. Entire cultures don't eat meat and yet continue to thrive and this was long before you could go to a pharmacy and pick up a bottle of B-12. Strict Hindus don't eat meat and yet it's the world's third largest religion. That is a giant chunk of the population that manages to stay healthy on an all natural diet.
As a vegetarian myself, I wonder what this woman was doing going out with a guy who she didn't know wasn't a vegetarian. I mean, if her beliefs are strong enough to call someone a "cow murderer," then they must be strong enough that she wouldn't want to date a meat eater in the first place, so why didn't she find this out BEFORE agreeing to a date? That said, I would've been pissed off if a date ordered for me, meat or not. How presumptuous is it to assume that you know what your date wants? Especially a first date! You couldn't say to the waiter, "My date is in the bathroom, could you come back in a couple minutes?" No, instead you had to be all alpha male and order for her. Don't you think that's just a bit insulting to a woman you just met? YDI
chocogatto, I've been a vegetarian for 14 years and i've never had to take any vitamin supplements. and no one is forcing anything on anyone here. not all vegetarians are pretentious snobs. you can ask anyone I know and no one will say that I've ever told them they shouldn't eat meat. it's my own choice; of course I'm not going to force it on anyone else.
#204,before you go telling people off, think about your answer. It's true you can stil get vitamins and have a healthy lifestyle as a vegetarian, what about vegans? Obviously, they can't have meat, cheese milk or anything else that comes from an animal. What does that leave for them to eat? Hmm, fruit and vegetables. I have another good tip; think.
fuck that, meat is delicious. If it's furry, adorable, a good cuddly, soft and gentle creature, I'd skin that shit and drown that mofo in BBQ. kill for fur is wrong, but if your normal like most human beings eat fucking meat. If i was to ever become a vegetarian it would be because I fucking hate plants!
#139: I think they're calling her a psycho for calling him a "cow murderer." Idk, most vegetarians I know, or are friends with, respect my choice not to be a vegetarian. I give them the same respect, though. She very easily could have been responding to having food ordered for her, and especially, she could be responding to having MEAT ordered for her. I actually don't really fault her in this one. She could have reacted better, but it's his fault for ordering her dinner instead of waiting for her.
#186: I would agree that most vegetarians/vegans/whatever usually don't care. I have, though, met a few that absolutely care and make a point to try and make you feel bad for eating what you eat. I've also encountered people who eat meat and yell at the vegetarians/vegans/whatevers of the world for not eating it. It just depends on the individual. I'm all for people making their own decisions with food, as long as they don't tell me I have to, as well. Most vegetarians/vegans/whatevers that I've met have their own reasons for eating the way they do, and they know it's a hard choice, but it's one they are happy to make :)
idkweird- I'm so with you, and I haven't eaten meat in about 18 years.. But I have my own reasons for it and I understand that different minds work, well differently.. Mine just thinks way too much and I don't like feeling guilt, hahah, I've wanted a pet pig all my life, I just couldn't see eating one.. But I know it's not for everybody and I don't push my views on anybody (but of course if they try to argue or challege me, I love a good debate on the subject! Especially when people try to convince me I'm wrong!) :-D
Hehe, a vegetarian friend of mine once had me and a few others take a tour of an abbatoir. She was trying to put me off meat (i literally eat 5 different types of meat in the one sandwich). Afterwards, i was really killin' for a burger. Meat is good. Every vegetarian i know is either: A) Sickly from lack of vital nutrients B) Always having to read everything about what they eat so they actually get the right amount of goof stuff. C) A Douchebag I've always wanted to eat a Tiger, they would taste pretty good. A panda as well. Plus, i think it was in India, they bring out a cobra, cut it open and you eat the still beating heart. That's just pure awesome.
#6 - Animals eat animals, yes. But do any other animals enslave other species? Do they take formerly wild animals and turn them dependent? Do they pump them so full of hormones that they grow to full size in a week, cut off parts of their body, put them in feces-covered cages, and let them go mad before their throats are slit? No, lol. There is no cruelty in what other animals do to their prey, because animals are not capable of cruelty. They act on their instincts. We humans have the ability to be moral, but we choose very often not to be. We've taken ourselves apart from the food chain, and our selfish ways our going to destroy the planet if we're not careful...
While I understand what you're saying and agree with your point, that is the most improperly placed lol I have seen in a good long time. "Do you know what's funny? No, really, this will leave you laughing for days! We - get this - force fed cows unnatural hormones! Ha!" Actually, typed out like that it almost looks like intelligent sarcasm. Your use of 'lol'? Not so much.
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On one hand, I want to say YDI for not knowing she's a vegetarian. On the other hand, FYL for trying to go on a date with a psycho.
Firstly, OP may not have known his date was a vegetarian because she hadn't told him, so that was not his fault. Also, being a vegetarian doesn't make you crazy. Many people are vegetarians because of their religion, and to say that someone's religion is stupid is rude and racist. Also, you're the one eating dead animals, not us.
"Cow murderer" is a bit harsh, but you should have waited for her to come back to the table. YDI
definately deserve it. you should never order for someone else, you idiot.