By satanworshipper - 18/10/2012 04:58 - United States - Hollywood
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Seriously sucks to be you. Teach them not to breed to keep our gene pool healthy. UP the bum no babies class!!!
Bible reading Christian here! Yes, hello. So I don't believe in evolution because one, they do not have evidence for apes evolving into humans, two, because the "evidence" they have is either fake or mistaken, three, they would have probably found this before dinosaurs, considering that dinosaurs are much older than the ape-to-human idea. I do have my Christian evidence against it as well but that does not apply to all of you. If these are Jesus freaks threatening the teacher, then they obviously don't read their Bible enough or/and are hypocrites. I, personally, would never threaten someone like that. But I would speak my mind about why I do not believe in evolution.
So you're saying the evidence is fake or mistaken, when you're spouting the oldest misconception in the world about evolution? "They do not have evidence for apes evolving into humans"? No shit, lady. Nobody who knows anything about evolutionary theory claims that apes evolved into humans. Your argument's stupid, ignorant, and based on what you want to believe, not what actually is. You've clearly never read a thing about evolution that hasn't come from the mouths of creationists, so your opinions are totally invalid. You should be ashamed of yourself.
204 does have point; it's called the THEORY of evolution. Believe it or not, as compelling as all the evidence is, it's still not proven absolutely. I believe evolution is/was put into effect by a higher power, like all the laws of physics and reality. Calling it 'god' seems to take away from its credibility but everything happens for a reason. The immutable laws that we know of had to start somehow. Saying 'that's just how it is' isn't an answer, it's an avoidance of the question. But that's just me :)
So first Lauren uses the "humans evolved from apes" misconception, and now you're using the "it's called a 'theory' for a reason" one? For your information, those are pretty much the two oldest, most fallacious arguments that creationists use, and they've been rebutted enough times that you should really know better. Do me a favor and read up on the difference between the normal use of the word "theory", and then check the meaning of the word in the scientific context. Hint: we have the "THEORY of gravity". And nobody said "that's just how it is". You're just spouting that because you obviously haven't done an hour's reading of actual textbooks or explanations from actual evolutionary biologists, otherwise neither of you two would be using these flawed arguments. Read from the sources, not just from the people who have the most to gain from misrepresenting the subject. Your wilful ignorance is astonishing.
The Christian believer. God was never proven either, so what you are getting at? Theory and faith are the suit. This is why science and religion fight because either of them can prove one right and one wrong. Why do you think there so many theories and religions. Because NO one knows the answer. Think about it and take your blind folders off too while your at it.
Natural selection and evolution are two different things. Evolution is the idea that every living organism has developed from earlier organisms. (i.e: apes to humans and various other animals to different forms) Natural selection- "the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures, as predators, changes in climate, or competition for food or mates, will tend to survive and reproduce in greater numbers than others of their kind, thus ensuring the perpetuation of those favorable traits in succeeding generations." (Dictionary.com & this is proven correct. I don't disagree with natural selection.) They have had many occurrences of "evidence" for the ape-to-human evolution idea that, when further investigated, was proven to be false and the scientist who found this "evidence" had to recant everything they said. Just look them up! Text books can be bias, by the way. I have read and considered all evidence and logic for both sides. Don't call me uneducated when you have no idea who I am. I am actually very interested in learning even more about why other believe in this idea. If you think you have the evidence, please, message it to me. Either you guys are trying to talk about natural selection or you don't the the definition of evolution. (Even if my beliefs of God were different, I would still say the same things about evolution and natural selection.)
228: If you are not "uneducated" then you certainly have poor reading comprehension for an educated person. Several commenters have already pointed out that no sane scientist today believes that humans evolved from apes. Additionally, natural selection is a mechanism by which evolution works. To be specific, evolution is the process by which populations change in terms of their traits. Darwin's book is called "The Origin of Species by Natural Selection". There is nothing wrong with being religious. I believe in God. However, if you deny scientific theories such as evolution you may as well go back to the mediaeval era and say the universe is centered on the earth and women are by physical nature less intelligent than men, both examples of mediaeval catholic "science".
#228: Jeez, so many words and almost no content. Two words for you: "common ancestor". It's like you're going back to the Theory of Evolution's infancy and confusing it with the modern, much more refined and well-matured version. In your first post, you showed your true colors and basically accused all scientists of fabricating evidence for it. Not just that, but you based half your argument on the most common misconception about evolution that exists, which shows that no, you haven't learned about it at all. All you've done is read a few hit pieces written by people who have no idea about even the most basic tenets of evolution. You've proven that haven't read and considered any of the evidence you speak about. To put it simply: you are a liar. Edit: damn, #230 got there ahead of me.
You do realize that evolution goes on under our very noses and is not just a theory about what happened a long time ago, right? If you read Darwins book, you'll note that he's got observations to back up his general theory, not just speculation. As a creationist, you might not want to believe in evolutionary anthropology, but you best damn sure believe in evolution or you can pretty much throw out all observation based science, like the Medieval Catholic Church did. Hemlock, anyone?
Please note that evolution and the big bang are two separate theories. Evolution is a fully established theory, proved via observation in both the fossil record and multigenerational animal observation. The big bang is an evolving (no pun intended) theory that is still being established, but is widely recognized as proved (I think they've worked things back to within milli/nanoseconds where modern physical laws break down).
It's not just Christians. All religious texts, including the three Abrahamic based (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) have wars where one side or the other was "instructed by God" to kill every last man/woman/child once they conquered XYZ... Religious zealots justify murder by saying "God told me to". In the bible, you don't have to look much further than Leviticus.
4 I don't know how you just lost your faith over this. People love threatening the lives of others, just for the hell of it. Take Miley Cyrus and Justin Beiber; both of which have had numerous threats on their life. Yea their music is not great but people will think of any excuse to kill.
39 I was referring to the population of fanatics in the world who senselessly threaten the lives of others.If you think that people don't think of excuses to kill then maybe you should do some research on maritime battles and World History. Still you have your opinion and I have mine.
People are extremely sensitive about how the world formed. I wrote a paper on intelligent design once and it did not go over well. Just stick to your guns op, you will be fine.
If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, then it's because intelligent design is stupid. We KNOW evolution is how humanity came about. You can argue that intelligent design is the why, but you can't say that an invisible, flying spaghetti monster snapped his fingers and, bam, humans. We KNOW that's not how it happened.
You mean you don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster? It is his noodly appendages that formed our frail human forms. In his name we devour all things noodly. Ramen. Joking aside, intelligent design is as good of a theory as autism linked to vaccines...entirely based on a load of bollocks.
How would you "Know" this? Just because you think you understand a part of the process, doesn't mean you have complete understanding. Intelligent design is basically just saying that science and religion don't have to be polar opposites. You can have evolution/cosmological theory AND the belief in a deity. Does it not occur to any of you that most of the scientists that came up with these theories actually DID/DO believe in a God?
No, intelligent design is Christianity's way of wiggling into science. They're not trying to work with science, they're trying to show their beliefs in a pseudo-scientific manner. I'm not saying religion can't work with science ever, or that there never could be a deity, but intelligent design is just another name for creationism.
I thought the big difference between intelligent design and creationism was that creationism denies things like evolution or the big bang, while intelligent design does not. It "simply" says that a creator is the source of those things. I wouldn't call it pseudo science. I wouldn't call it science at all. It's a faith matter that seeks to reconcile science as it is today with belief.
The big difference between intelligent design and evolution is that intelligent design is based off revelation rather than evidence. So pretty much anyone can make up anything they want when they talk about intelligent design, it has absolutely no basis in science.
I think "stupid" is a strong word for intelligent design. It seems to me it simply seeks to fill the huge gaping hole in the evolutionary theory, which is this: Every living thing evolved from simple single celled organisms through natural selection in order to become more fit for survival as a species. Yet simple single celled organisms are the most fit for survival, as evidenced by the presence of countless millions of them on any given surface when measured against the comparatively infinitesimal world population of complex species. Why then would species evolve to be more complex if it is detrimental to their survival as a species? I'm not saying evolution isn't real. On the contrary, I think there is near undeniable evidence that both micro and macro evolution occur, however I think that explanation of evolution as the origin of complex life is no more based in scientific fact than the Garden of Eden. To me, the idea of a creative being makes far more sense. It also seems that the scientific community is ever trying to explain away God from any natural process, no matter how ridiculous the explanation is. They can never simply admit, "Gee, I don't know." For example, there is a phenomenon of the members of certain species, including humans in particular, risking their own lives to save those who do not share their genes. The scientific explanation for this is that the hero saves the one in peril so that one day the one saved will return the favor when their hero is in danger. Yet how many instances could there possibly be in which the favor was actually returned as compared to instances in which the hero lost his/her life? That explanation simply makes no statistical sense. But scientists won't consider the possibility of a God given compassionate soul, and any scientist who does suggest this, or anything else that involves God or is otherwise contradictory to their conventional wisdom, is effectively shunned from the scientific community. The scientific community is much like the medieval church in that respect. Now I brace for thumbs down.
Metaphysical claims such a the existence of a deity or the human "soul" are simply unfalsifiable...meaning there is no way to disapprove or prove it because there NO scientific tool that would be able to test it... Metaphysical claims fall outside the boundaries of science and become a matter of Belief...so either you believe It exists or not since there is no way to prove otherwise
224, Very true, and I agree with you on that point. I just seems that scientists come up with ridiculous theories for things they cannot explain, as if conceding to the mere possibility of the existence of the devine, or even their own inability to explain natural processes, is somehow beneath them. I don't expect any scientist to form an official theory or experiment involving the divine, however I think they would do the world, and themselves, a great favor by not discrediting themselves by coming up with theories that anyone with a critical mind and average intelligence can refute with simple logic. Those two examples I gave of nonsensical scientific theory are just a couple more recent examples. There have been more ridiculous ones in the past. It was once believed that mice materialized out of wheat, and maggots out of rotting meat. That theory has since been disproved and so it just goes to show that scientists have indeed been wrong in the past. I don't think it's too much to ask that they admit that they don't know everything. And sure, there are now scientific explanations for things people once could only explain with the divine, but every time we learn something new about the universe and how it works, we discover new and deeper mysteries. That will never change.
Excuse the irony, but "oh my fucking god." There's so much bullshit in both of your comments that I wouldn't know where to start even if I felt like wasting my time going point-to-point. I'm just gonna say that I'm sure Jesus would've had something to say about accusing thousands of people of basically lying through their teeth about stuff, based on no evidence of your own. Oh, and by the way, modern science that's founded on rigorous cross-examination, peer review, and copious amounts of observable evidence? Yeah, that's a relatively modern thing. Your references to those middle-age, glorified witch-doctors and mouse abiogenesis from wheat is so far off the mark, I'm not sure if you actually believe it's comparable, or if you're just a shitty troll. Scientists don't make shit up off the top of their heads. You're thinking of unqualified laypeople who think they know better than all the tens of thousands of experts in their different fields. You're one of those arrogant people, and you're just slandering by this point -- real Christian of you. That's all I'm going to say to that kind of offensive, unbelievable garbage.
I believe that there is a God and that evolution occurred; who's to say that God doesn't control evolution? That has been my train of thought since elementary school, and no, I was far from being raised as a Christian or Catholic or Muslim, etc, so religion has nothing to do with my theory. There are some things that can't be explained, and I believe that the supernatural cannot be explained. Why is my sister still alive after 5 years of her brain bleeding from being hit by a car (when our parents were told by the emergency room doctors that she will die within next week) with NO medical attention other than MRI scans? Some things are unexplainable. Physics can always be proven wrong like everything else in the world; a physicist once told me that. You might believe wholeheartedly that there was the big bang, but in 50 years, they can disprove that, so are you truly any "better" than those who believe in a God? Let's not insult each other because we don't agree with each other. God or the lack of God doesn't cause problems and fighting; it's the ignorance of people that do. Everyone must be open-minded to everything.