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I see your point but totally disagree. Especially your example that if someone is beating on you and you don't fight back, they may quit. Chances are if someone is beating on you and you don't fight back, they're going to beat harder. People who instigate fights don't typically have the moral values to say, "Hey, he/she is a pacifist, let me respect that!"

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If someone had OP at gun point, and a chicken right next to him at gun point, he has no more of a chance then the chicken to survive. So I hope she is equally confused when he leaves her.

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52 - By 'not very self-preserving' I actually meant that, as well as not defineding yourself, people may actually beat you harder, at least initially, for not even trying. I suppose I should've explained that but I kind of thought it was obvious. By saying some people may give up well...they have to give up eventually, unless they're planning on killing you. But there may be some people that get bored and give up. I hardly expect the majority to react that way though. I still think it's admirable to stick to your principles even if it may put you in danger (as long as you're not putting others in danger too).

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#48, humans are actually quite fragile compared to most animals. The only reason we survive is that we are smarter and use tools. You use the example of a chicken, but ignore the many other animals that have more than a fair chance in a fight, such as the dog in my picture, who is now 60 pounds and capable of killing me before I have a chance to fight back.

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Why are you so full of hate? Yeah, there are some vegans who take it too far... but it doesn't mean all of us are like that. I'm not telling anyone what to eat, yet I'm often being mocked for my eating habits. I don't get it, why can't everybody simply eat what he/she wants?

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I'm pretty sure they're just joking 63. Pretty much everyone on FML is very understanding and wants equality for all people (and animals even). Sometimes it's just funny to make jokes.

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#63, I totally agree with you. I get a few simple jokes. Yeah, there are a lot of extremist vegans who don't waste any time pushing what they believe on you, so naturally vegans might be the punchline of a few not-so-nice jokes. But when you say things like, "As if veganism ever goes right," and "She just needs some bacon," that seems unnecessarily rude and insensitive of a vegan's beliefs. There are plenty of reasonable vegans who don't push their beliefs on others who simply want to do their part to minimize or eliminate pain and death. You don't often hear about those vegans because they aren't haphazardly vocalizing and pushing their beliefs on others. It might be worth thinking about the next time you are tempted to make a mean or over-generalizing statement about all vegans.

Okay, i respect people's choices, and if you wana be vegan that's fine: you do you. There is however a difference between being a vegan and being an extremist. Your gf is unfortunately the later.

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There is an actual difference? Honestly, I am a great fan of "live and let live", but so far I have never met a vegan who did not behave like a complete jerk. Hell, the few vegans I know seem to spend most of the time bitching who is the best vegan or who is more vegan than the others. And in case they are not arguing with each other, they unite to attack everyone else.

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I actually do know a vegan who is very nice about it. She only brings it up when it's relevant to the conversation, has never openly judged her meat-eating brethren, etc. veganism is her own personal belief, and she understands that. My point is- normal vegans are out there. They are just overshadowed by the pretentious, insufferable tools.

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i and my best friend are both vegans. i can guarantee you were are not "bitches" about it and realize not everybody lives the same lifestyle as we do. she is more hardcore than i am, if i go on a date or to a family function, i don't request everything be vegan. i eat what they serve (exception of meat, i personally cant go that far) its unfortunate that everyone on this site either hates vegans/or has run into a bitchy one.

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I know a whole family of vegans (and one vegetarian) who have never been assholes about being vegan. They'll even cook non-vegan food for their son (the vegetarian). They don't really talk about it either, and they've never criticized me or anyone else for not being vegan.

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