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By Anonymous - / Saturday 18 July 2015 05:00 / United States
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175 - except if he is equally drunk and she says yes then its not rape because they both consented under the same circumstances... cant tell the context the son meant, so we dont know... (its rape if he stayed sober and took advantage of someone who was intoxicated)

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175 we all know that law is bloody ridiculous. The male is also intoxicated. If she's too drunk to give consent. He can be said to be too drunk to be in control of his actions

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In fact, in most case it is not a rape. It's a sexual act under compulsion. And actually, being intoxicated is an aggravating circumstance in both case of rape or forcing to have sex, at least in Russia. The funny thing is that almost nobody gives a fuck.

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drunk doesn't necessarily mean unable to consent. intoxicated means they wouldn't. that's black out level drunk or so drunk a person wouldn't be held liable to a contract. in this scenario it would be rape. also, if he's equally hammered then he really doesn't have an unfair advantage. Unless you're one of those idiots who think both parties drunk = the man is still a rapist.

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94, but the man in this case is going in with the intention of getting a woman shitfaced in order to get her to not only consent to sex, but to also consent to bareback anal sex that he knows she would not usually consent to. So even if he's drunk, he still went in with the intention of abusing her drunkenness for his own sexual gain. Sounds pretty rape-y to me. If he was going to a party and wound up hooking up with someone after both parties had gotten a little tipsy (without the plan to get

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I can't believe people are still trotting out the 'drunk women love to have sex!' line when talking about purposefully getting someone drunk so they'll do something they wouldn't have if left to make their own decisions about how much alcohol they wanted.

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To everyone quick to jump to "Stop throwing the word rape around" If you're going in there, knowing that person SAYS NO to something and your plan is to get them drunk so they say yes, THAT IS rape.

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#125, spoken like a rapist. First of all, it can literally be 1 drink between a girl being tipsy to being blacked out. I've seen that firsthand. Second, even if she's drinking until black out doesn't mean she's a stupid person or that she is responsible for getting raped. It only makes her responsible for her hangover the next morning.

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so what you're saying is that if anyone wouldn't normally do something stone cold sober they're being forced against their will the moment alcohol gets involved? you might as well call a guy confident in seducing women a rapist then, because he's going in with the intention of coercing them to consent. alcohol consumption does not render women into children who can't make decisions anymore and be held accountable like an adult. a woman who is black out intoxicated cannot consent, and for that

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#148, I'm sorry, but if you're going to get that drunk, at least have a friend looking out for you, otherwise you're just inviting trouble. I'm not saying a person taking advantage of the situation shouldn't be held accountable, but you can't rely on the morals of random strangers as far as your well-being is concerned. So yeah, I don't understand people who would get completely and utterly hammered in that setting.

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#157 - My friend often says, "I'm lucky you never catch me while drunk, you might be able to convince me to do...things." My response is, "If I could convince you to do them while drunk, you're probably not that far off from doing them while sober."

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so convincing people of something when they're not perfectly alert and sober is now rape. Good to know. I actually consider women adults capable of making and being held accountable for their decisions. even if -some- alcohol is involved. as I said above, if they're black out level? obviously too far to consent. But this idea that women become helpless children when at all buzzed/drunk on booze who have no agency is laughable at best and subtly sexist at worst. in the rush to protect women f

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That's true but if a girl is drunk and ends up having sex with the guy, she can take it to court the next day and claim that she never gave consent and typically the women have more credibility than the men.

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Sort of. Making a plan to get girls drunk specifically to talk them into unprotected anal sounds more like rape though. From the context the son sounded like he would be remaining sober. Making that sort of plan is considered rape since drunk people can't consent.

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Don't blame the ENTIRE U.S.'s program. It wasn't that long ago i was in high school and they showed us things you just don't want to see. genitals covered in warts, scabs, lice, etc. a video of actual child birth... scarred most of us for life i'm sure. And I was in a public school district to boot so really it comes down to your local school board being smart or being too sensitive.

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This is one of the things that parents should teach to there children. People today blame everything on schools cause the didn't teach their kids about it. But what the forget is that parents also have the responsibility to teach kids valuable life lessons.

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Showing kids just the nasty stuff of sex is a fear tactic. Yes, by all means show the effect of unprotected sex, but also show kids how to have sex safely and what to do if there's a slip (what tests to order, what plan B is and how to use it effectively, what resources are available, etc.)

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96 - its NOT rape if he is equally as drunk and she says yes... if they are both trashed then he cant give consent any more than she can. if he stayed sober and took advantage of someone who was too intoxicated to give consent, then hes planning on raping someone, but we cant tell from the fml

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No kidding. How old is this kid anyway? No matter how old though, he clearly thinks that getting a girl drunk in order to have sex is "okay". That's creepy and extremely disappointing that guys think that's somehow not rape. OP, you need to tell him straight up that what he's doing is rape, plain and simple. Don't sugarcoat it.

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Just because a person is intoxicated doesn't make consent for sex and only sex invalid. Consent for anything while drunk still applies, you have to live with your mistakes. Whether it be drunk texting, shopping, or anything else. Sure, if they said no while still drunk, that's wrong and is rape, but rape is a very strong word to throw around just because someone made s drunken mistake.

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#52 it legally is considered rape if one of the parties is drunk while the other is sober because you may say no while sober to having sex with this person, but while drunk your judgement is off and may say yes, thus it is rape because it is not a solid form of consent. now if both parties are drunk I don't know if it's considered rape or not, most likely not since both parties judgments are off.

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Plus, you could all be jumping to conclusions that both or one party consented while under the influence. I don't club much, but the few times I have. I meant a cute girl, who was sober, and then consented as we were both looking for the same thing. Then I got shit-faced as did she, and had a jolly time.

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@71: One single drink is not enough suffice for this. What you need to know is that it's not "us" who came up with the idea that having sex with someone who's drunk turns it into rape, it's that we're just following what judges have sentenced in previous cases. The courts have declared that getting someone excessively drunk, however you may define this, in order to increase the chance that they will agree to sexual intercourse with you constitutes rape, because they are considered unab

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#71 The difference is that you and your girlfriend are in a relationship and she most likely knows you are fine with sleeping with her while drunk. This is completely different from the FML. The son is saying he wants to "get em drunk" (as in actively trying to get a girl drunk) so that she will do anal with him, meaning he KNOWS that if she were sober she would not want to do that with him. If you purposefully try to get someone drunk because you know they would never sleep with you w

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Jesus... I'm assuming "get em drunk" doesn't mean "point a gun at them until they drink ten shots". I assume "get em drunk " means "offering them drinks until they're drunk". If you can choose not to get drunk, nobody can force you to. If you choose to get drunk then you need to be ready for the consequences of your actions while inebriated. How is this not obvious? Cop: "oh, driving drunk?" Person: "my friends got me drunk, not my fault. f

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I get people don't want to call it rape as they have their own understanding of the word, but can't we agree it's common decency not to do something to someone if you know they won't feel good about it in the morning or enjoy it sober? Does it really have to be unlawful for you to say it's wrong?

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OP's son sounds like a douchy party animal who plans to go to the club, get drunk, find some chick who has had just as much to drink, and have some nasty drunk anal sex. This does not sound like rape to me. I think many guys and girls go to a club with the intention of getting drunk and hooking up. Just because you regret your choice of parter, or even the decision in general, the next morning, does not mean you can call rape. It's unfortunate this happens so many times and it is usually the wom

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I have to say, the law is very inconsistent when it comes to the accountability of your actions while intoxicated. If a woman drove a car while intoxicated and killed someone she'd get jailed for sure. She cannot say "Oh I was drunk so my decisions were impaired; I wasn't in control of myself and the alcohol made me dim-witted enough to think I was ok to drive." That can never be an acceptable defense in court. Yet, if the same woman decides to have sex with someone else while drunk,

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Here's a scary question: if a drunk person has sex with a minor, do they get off scot-free because neither are supposed to be able to legally consent to the act?

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I don't disagree with you but I just saw it like buttering up your mom with gifts or compliments so you can ask for that new game you want. Rape is one of the most disgusting crimes possible and I feel like we've downed it to people making mistakes (drunk or not) and not men or women knowingly taking advantage of someone sexually against the others will. My two cents though

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So... Women aren't allowed to choose to drink because if something happens after they choose to enjoy a nice drink or two it's "not rape".... Wow. So all the men who choose to go to bars to creepily watch women waiting for one to be a little too drunk is the girls fault for choosing to drink... That's great. Real smart

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#137 but the whole point is if they're drunk, they legally aren't capable of decision-making when it comes to sex - that's why sex with a drunk person is rape (if you're sober). If someone cannot be held accountable for sexual acts, cannot say 'yes', - if there is no such thing as consensual drunk sex... how can someone be a rape victim in one scenario, and a wilful child molester in another? Doesn't make sense. You're either in the right mind to have sex, and therefore accountable for your acti

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@100: California rape law (where this took place): (a) Rape is an act of sexual intercourse accomplished with a person not the spouse of the perpetrator, under any of the following circumstances: (3) Where a person is prevented from resisting by any intoxicating or anesthetic substance, or any controlled substance, and this condition was known, or reasonably should have been known by the accused. In plain English, this translates to "Intoxication by alcohol or drugs impaired the victim's

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55, it's only rape if the individual in question is impaired enough to be considered legally intoxicated. that's when contracts don't apply and spoken oaths are not admissible as evidence even with recording. a person can still consent when buzzed/drunk. drunk doesn't necessarily have a legal connotation. for some drunk means relaxed and likely not good to drive, but still possessing critical thinking. for others it means slightly tipsy. for some it means forgetting several hours and being

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#177 What? When did I ever say rape in a relationship is ok? All I said is that if you are in a relationship with someone where the two of you are completely aware that you're fine with responding to the other's sexual advances while drunk, then that is ok imo and completely different than what's going on in the FML. Basically I'm saying if a dude's wife/gf was drunk, they both knew from previous occasions/conversations/wtv that she is fine with drunken sex with him, she pounces on him, they mak

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Where does it say that the son isn't planning on going to a party to get drunk himself and have sex with another drunk person? It sounds to me like that is, in fact, his plan. So if he is drunk, and the girl is drunk, could he then call rape on her because his judgement was impaired as well?

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I agree with you completely. Is someone's judgement is impaired due to alcohol, etc they cannot consent property so it would be rape. I was pointing out if they also happened to be underage that would count as statuary rape as well.

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@ 141 I agree with you completely. Is someone's judgement is impaired due to alcohol, etc they cannot consent properly it would be rape. I was pointing out if the targeted person also happened to be underage that would count as statutory rape as well.

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If a girl drink to the point of being taken advantage of, it is her fault. Sure, the guy is a creep. But unless she was forced to drink, how is she not responsible for what happens?

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Isnt it funny #188 how my original comment refered to me (the male) as the drinking one she as the sober one. Yet the scenarios you produce she is drunk and I'm sober. Double standard anyone??

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#215: Not really. In my original comment I specifically say: "you and your girlfriend are in a relationship and she most likely knows you are fine with sleeping with her while drunk" meaning I was acknowledging the fact that the girl is the sober one in your particular case. However, I then say "this is completely different from the FML..." meaning my comment (and future ones) were now referring to the FML's context. Which should have been obvious since I was using the "

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