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By Jane M - / Friday 25 October 2013 23:20 / United States - Lafayette
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#35 Actually many devout, extremist Christians believe that Jesus was born in April, and that Christmas, Easter, and many other holidays were used by Catholics to convert the pagans, to give them something to connect with, and practicing any ritual is an abomination. This reeks of such a person.

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@62 that is actually correct, well thr holidays bit. not entirely sure about thr birthdate. isnt it august? anyway as a Pagan myself i always think that changing the holidays was done as a nice thing. they could have easily told thr ancients to lump it but they didn't and even today we still do pagan things like bringing greenery and light into the home (xmas trees) christmas is a lovely holiday because it is such an imalgumation of beliefs.

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I myself consider myself a Christian. however do I think Christmas is the actual day he was born. Idk do I think it was originally meant for something else perhaps... however I do know Christmas easter whatever holiday and however it and to be doesn't matter it's how u think of it and how u spend it that really matters.

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True enough, Anori. However, they are right on several accounts, that Sunday isn't the sabbath, and Jesus wasn't born on Christmas. However, once you pick a day and truly reserve it as holy, that's pretty much all that is required.

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Op your mother is a new kind of dumbass. Like there are people that do insanely stupid shit then there is her. First of all Christmas it's the birth of Jesus "Christ". That's why its"Christmas".

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poor kids indeed! Teach them that there are lots of religions out there, maybe take them to meet a few different leaders. Maybe then they will understand that people are different. Once they got that down, then they can learn about how some are bat shit crazy, like your mom!

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It was actually a pagan holiday hijacked by christians to gain mre favor for their at the time growing religion to be made about Jesus being born, despite the fact that evidence in the bible suggest he was probably born sometime around march.

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Yeah. Look up Yule. It is a Pagan holiday. The Yule tree doesn't represent Jesus. It represents fertility, like most Pagan holidays. Easter, Christmas, & Halloween are all Pagan traditions. (Ostara, Yule, & Samhain)

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Actually, he was born around the time of the fall harvest, likely in September or October. His ministry was 3-1/2 years, and he died on the Passover, which is in spring, during the first full moon after the spring equinox. Christmas was based on the worship of the unconquered sun, and was mostly popularized at the time of the Council of Nicea, although the church had banned it many times throughout the centuries.

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Actually, as an agnostic atheist, you can be agnostic something. For instance, either agnostic atheist, agnostic theist, gnostic atheist or gnostic theist. Agnostic Christian is a thing.

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i really dont understand how you can be an agnostic athiest. hoe can you believe there is nit gods but believe in the possibility. atheist, like theist, is an absolute state.

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pagans don't believe in jesus. so they wouldn't celebrate "his birth". it was originally a pagan holiday that was hijacked by christians and changed to fit their own beliefs. they hoped it would make it easier for pagans to convert, since they could still celebrate at the same time as their own celebrations (easter was stolen as well).

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and halloween and to a lesser extent thr may day holiday. pagan yule is the 21st of december but the festival really isnt too different. we still feast we still use lots of lights and greenery. the old offerings are now xmas presents some still burn yule logs etc. to me it is a symbol of how kind thr old christians were that so many old customs still exist. they could easily have eradicated them. there is no answer in crhistianity for the evergreen xmas tree or thr easter bunny after all.

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Yes it was hijacked, but it was hijacked by Christians. Although it is still a pagan holiday, it is also a Christian holiday to celebrate Jesus, because Christians decided to make it so. So as a Christian, op's mother shouldn't be calling it satanic. Also, it's horrible to crush ANY dream/excitement of kids like that!

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As others have noted, Christmas is a hijacking of various winter celebrations about the Birth of the Sun. For a lot of fundies, any other god or goddess is synonymous with Satan - in fact, for some, the "Muslim God" and the "Jewish God" are synonymous with Satan, despite them both being the one who Christans are supposed to worship through / with his son.

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not the birth of the sun at all. Yulr was to make the sun come back ad they believed it was going away from them due to the shorter nights. after the 21st of december the days lengthen again.

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Interesting-- When you look up the origin of Halloween, it's actually very morbid. :P Even the tern "trick or threat" sends chills up my spine. And a jack-o'-lantern represents a damned soul that's lingering in limbo. Etc....

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Actually, Samhain (the real name for Halloween) is the day that the veil between the world of the living & the world of the dead is the thinnest. Jack O Lanterns are used to light the way for deceased relatives to visit family. Offerings of food are left out for them. It has absolutely nothing to do with some imaginary creature named Satan/Lucifer.

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