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I'm pretty sure the OP meant when both parents are around. Or else you'd have to break out a ouija board for some. If your ex isn't in your daughters life I'm pretty sure you two don't converse enough for her to even give a say...

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Vaccines aren't just for the person getting them... Some people cannot receive vaccines, but if everyone around them is vaccinated then they are much less likely to get sick. It's called herd immunity. Yes, a small percentage of people have issues, but overall less people die/become disable when vaccinated than if they were not vaccinated.

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@111 - Getting exposed to the flu can be fatal for a young child. Vaccines do not cause autoimmune disease. These people you know already had an autoimmune disease, and you can argue that a vaccine triggered it, but there's debate as to whether or not vaccines can trigger autoimmune diseases. Autoantibodies are, again, caused by autoimmune diseases. They have nothing at all to do with vaccines. Please be thorough when attempting to inform everyone else about their health, because the overwh

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On the most recent commercial even the people who sell it say in the quickly spoken disclaimer say "If you have ever had an influenza vaccine you should not get one. I will never get one. People can take their health in their own hands; I'm not risking mine to keep others from getting sick. If you get sick stay home. (whether your boss is a dick or not) That part was more personal experience guy mad me work with the swine flu for two weeks...

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The entire source of this debate is an article published in a medical journal that was refuted under peer review and subsequently retracted BY THE AUTHORS. Even the idiot that invented the idea vaccines cause autoimmune and autism admits it's bullshit. Get vaccinated. No excuses. Ever.

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26-Because she is still the child's mother, and could know some conditions or allergies that you don't. This is cheesy, but you and the other parent split, NOT the child and the other parent. If you did get divorced legally then it's somewhere in the papers that all medicines and important events must be discussed with the other parent.

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195- So your exact argument is, "I once read a few bits of unsourced reference material so I now know better than the DOCTORS, RESEARCHERS, and INTERNATIONAL HEALTH AGENCIES that tell me I'm nothing short of a brainless tit for not getting vaccinated." Smallpox, Polio, and Measles. I only have to list one reason why your argument is invalid, but I'll list three. There are several billion people that, given the choice, would have gladly taken a vaccine over a painful pox-ridden death.

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195- I apologize for the double post, but I'm still rambling. I just realized your brain is being eaten by common logical fallacies. When a medical article is written and subsequently refuted by the vast majority of professionals in that field, it has failed peer review and is not valid. That is exactly what has happened with every "paper" you've read, but you choose to believe it because its scarier and makes you feel smart. Just had to point that out.

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I do not believe flu shots are necessary for anyone who does not have a compromised immune system, but there is NO excuse to avoid being vaccinated for things like smallpox. The reason it is no longer a major cause of death in developed countries is because most people are now given the smallpox vaccination. Seriously, we are vaccinated for a reason. I avoided my meningitis shot when I was a kid and I ended up almost dying of spinal meningitis. If I could go back and force little Murph to suck

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217- Don't use hostility and personal attacks to assert your points. Also dont assume. Since when are academic articles allowed to contain unsourced references? The articles referenced multiple DOCTORS and RESEARCHERS. And who did you think the medical studies/experiments were conducted by exactly? That's right it would have to be someone with medical expertise and equipment. I already mentioned this was based on doctors that have studied patients in the last comment itself. Have you bother

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229, you do realize that smallpox is extinct BECAUSE OF THE SMALLPOX VACCINE, right? A couple decades ago, measles was right on the brink of getting completely eliminated too, but then the anti-vaccine morons stopped vaccinating their kids against it and measles epidemics started up again.

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the problem with that is vulnerable people are also more vulnerable to dangerous side-effects from the vaccine itself. There are a number of people who should NOT recieve vaccines but most doctors do not take the time to screen people to make sure they are fit to recieve them.

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you know what else happens when every single person gets vaccinated? Some rich bastard laughs his ass all the way to the bank! And that's really what it's all about!

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Numbers from the CDC and VAERS: DISEASE Measles Pneumonia: 6 in 100 Encephalitis: 1 in 1,000 Death: 2 in 1,000 Rubella Congenital Rubella Syndrome: 1 in 4 (if woman becomes infected early in pregnancy) VACCINES MMR Encephalitis or severe allergic reaction: 1 in 1,000,000 Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis vs. DTap Vaccine DISEASE Diphtheria Death: 1 in 20 Tetanus Death: 2 in 10 Pertussis Pneumonia: 1 in 8 Encephalitis: 1 in 20 Death: 1 in 1,500 VACCINES DTaP Continuous crying, then full rec

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Yes, because when your idiot spouse says your child shouldn't be immunized because of quack crap he or she read, both of you won't be upset when your child dies a painful death because you considered some foolishness.

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You know what's worse then an autoimmune disease? Polio or small pox. Get your vaccinations. Don't be an idiot. It's like saying that seatbelts could trap you in your car if they malfunction, so I'm not going to wear one. And yea sure you've never had a vaccination and your still healthy. How about after you take a trip to Africa. Where everyone hasn't had the luxury of a vaccination.

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Sorry to double post. But small pox is not extinct. It's extinct in developed countries where vaccines wiped it out. It still pops its ugly head up on occasion in Africa. Hence the reason we still get vaccines for it. If it was truly extinct we wouldn't bother anymore.

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#195, I am a doctor, and you are full of misinformation. There is no evidence that vaccines cause autoimmune disorders. Every medical treatment has some risks and benefits. With vaccines, though, the risks are minimal and the benefit is huge. Some vaccines are less safe for people with certain allergies and medical conditions, in which case they are not given. Otherwise, there is no excuse not to be vaccinated, especially if you're otherwise healthy. You're currently benefiting from herd

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I agree completely. I was given the flu shots as a baby and now have two types of auto immune diseases. Just because big pharmacy companies say it's the best to do does NOT mean their right. We are walking cash bags for them.

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I can understand where OPs wife is coming from at least. I mean, its a dual parent decision and things have gone wrong with vaccines. I'm sure the kid wasn't getting a steroid injection, but that has been in the news lately as an example.

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54- Things are more likely to go wrong without a vaccine. If my kids dad said I couldn't give her a flu vaccination with all these bad flus going around, I'd take her anyway because I value her life.

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At least concede that babies and young children should not be vaccinated. Parents are so careful about what they feed their babies when they first begin eating at around 6 months old or so. Yet, in the name of "protecting" them we inject directly into their bloodstreams ingredients such as mercury (neurotoxin), formaldehyde (carcinogenic), human albumin (from pooled human plasma), egg albumin (allergy risk), phenoxyethanol (The FDA warns "can cause shut down of the central nervous

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It all depends on if she was mad about the vaccination or the fact that when OP got home from the doctor he pushed the kid down stairs to test if the vaccination worked for more than just the flu...

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You realise, all of the chemicals found inside vaccines are actually FDA approved to be administered as vaccines to prevent people from dying of many different sicknesses. There have been no reported ailments or deaths recorded being caused by vaccines since between the 60s and 80s. They are not harmful, in any way, and you are being paranoid about chemical poisoning not even considering the fact that not using vaccines will cause people to be killed from illness.

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151- You're the exception, not the rule. There's a reason smallpox, polio, and a couple dozen other diseases no longer kill and maim millions in developed countries annually. Anyone who does not get their children immunized should be in prison. Due to vaccines, we no longer have a genetically transferred resistance to a lot of terrible diseases. How many idiot parents does it take until an outbreak of a previously dead disease cripples a country?

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Whatever. You're all wrong. The government is doing experiments on us through vaccinations. So they aren't safe! Of course low income areas that are mostly on medicade get the brunt of Government vaccines, 'cause they can be tracked easier when they get their medical care. So the Government can see how it went! Weren't any of you alive in the 90's? Sheesh.

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#110 I wasn't talking about the flu vaccine being outdated. Sorry, re reading my comment I see II wasn't clear, I was talking about a handful of different kids vaccines. The flu vaccine that came out first in Europe however, was proven to cause narcolepsy in children. Some of the other vaccines used in scandinavia are well outdated and are no longer relevant for the modern society, but are still in use. So I can see why some people feel iffy about it. Not saying I support it, just saying I can

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80's kid, lots of people go through life without vaccines and never have any ill effects. Lots of people ride their bikes without helmets everyday and most of them don't get injured. What about the ones that don't though? Polio is still a thing and at worst, it kills. It can also disable people; my stepson's grandmother got it when she was a little girl and was wheelchair bound from then til the day she died. Measles can be fatal and I have a friend who's parents didn't believe in vaccinati

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151- I've had my fair share of vaccinations and I'm also perfectly healthy. You NEED shots sometimes though. How do you think they got rid of small pox completely? Vaccines. What's the main goal during a zombie apocalypse after staying alive? Vaccines. They're not bad, just be aware and don't take them blindly.

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80sKid, basically what you're saying is that because you didn't get the disease, that it's impossible to get. Basically that's the equivalent of saying that because you went swimming and didn't drown, that drowning is impossible. See how stupid that is?

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You might want to purchase a giant hamster ball for your son now rather than later though. All the diseases that are vaccinated are vaccinated because they still exist, like meningitis, HPV, etc. They are usually fatal or a least serious diseases as well.

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Gremlinswife - While I understand your plight, there has never been any link between autism and any vaccine. There was one study which turned out to be a complete fraud. Nothing else has ever shown a link. Ever. Your reasoning, while laudable, is flawed. Just because something has never been disproven doesn't prove anything.

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Gremlinswife, if Autism is linked to vaccines, explain how non vaccinated siblings of Autistic children have a higher chance of having it? My middle nephew has Autism, my younger nephew has a slight form and my niece has what is known as Mutism- which is a developmental version. Vaccinated or not- it's just a roll of the genetic dice.

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I don't believe any one thing causes autism (vaccinations) I do believe people are genetically predispositioned to to getting it but that there may be environmental triggers that cause it to manifest itself in some people and not others. My other children have had all of their vaccinations and are developmentally typical.

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84- all forms of autism are a developmental disability. Not just some of them. And I'm not sure what mutism is? My son has non verbal autism perhaps that's what you're talking about. Autism is a spectrum of developmental delays which means you can have one person seemingly near typical while at the other end have someone with severe impairments and the inability to speak.

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69- I have an autism spectrum disorder and I've reached the pong where I don't need to take any medication to function properly. I've had vaccinations my entire life. Slightly different situation but still relevant.

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I totally agree it is an irrational fear of vaccines. I have a very rational fear of people not getting vaccinated. I have an infant who is not old enough to get all of her vaccines yet and a son with a very serious health condition. If you get one of these diseases you may survive it, but if you pass it on to someone they may not. We should all think about how our choices can effect other people.

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Autism is not caused from vaccines nothing causes autism your child was born with it. It doesn't usually show up until the child is about 3 some are later. Also people seem to forget all the chemicals in foods now days, parents just shove whatever in their kids mouths but as soon as they get sick it's all the vaccines fault.

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Ugh. I hate Jenny McCarthy for spreading the vaccinations=autism myth. As far as I'm concerned, there should be some sort of law against spreading such potentially-dangerous information as 'facts'. And besides... 1. Autism is a developmental disorder, not just something you 'catch' at a certain age. The only reason it has been linked to vaccinations is because children have most of their vaccinations around the age of 1-3, which is when most autistic behavior starts becoming evident in a child.

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Hate to say this, but by not vaccinating, you're playing Russian roulette with diseases that helped guarantee shorter lifespan of humanity until the advent of vaccines. Also, viruses can change genetic expression, which can cause new or latent conditions.

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ok people, pleasee inform yourselves from both sides of the story before you go on about vaccines and how they are completely harmless. there are so many cases where kids have had serious side effects after getting vaccines. the only reason why there are no "actual studies" showing that vaccines can be danerous for people is because the pharma-industry is controlling the information and does not want to stop making huge amounts of money that vaccines generate completely understand OP's

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176- vaccinations are given much earlier than one year of age. And your ignorant comment on rather having your child develop autism than not vaccinating shows you have absolutely no idea what autism is. My son will never be able to live on his own. He does not speak and his cognitive level will always be around 4 years of age. Unless you are living with autism in the forefront of your very day life you simply cannot comprehend how difficult it is. I don't judge people for deciding to vaccinate t

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My kindergarten teacher brought her son in for the flu shot and the same day her husband did too without knowing she already did. Within the week their son was severely autistic and still is 12 years later.

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215- I'm sorry? Did I read that correctly? You'd rather your child die than have a child with autism? I'm afraid 176 is correct. The belief that a vaccine can trigger autism is not only detrimental to our collective intelligence and knowledge in the ever growing field of medicine and science, it is outright dangerous to society as a whole. So no, I am very sorry, but I cannot respect your ludicrous view in any way, shape, or form.

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It's interesting that you note all the chemicals in the food that parents shove in their children's mouths, yet you don't seem very concerned about the ones that are injected directly into their bloodstreams. Bovine cow serum, Sorbitol, Sodium chloride, Egg protein, Thimerosal, Human albumin, Formaldehyde, Phenoxyethano, Aluminum phosphate, MSG, just to name a few.

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232 no that was not my point at all. I just felt what he said was ignorant. Don't assume having a child with autism is any easier than losing a child. It was just a dumb comment to make. But why should I be surprised by that this is FML after all.

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" vaccinations are given much earlier than one year of age. And your ignorant comment on rather having your child develop autism than not vaccinating shows you have absolutely no idea what autism is." Actually I DO know what autism is. Autism runs in my family. My brother has autism, my two uncles have autism, and my grandfather has autism. My brother and grandfather are able to function at a very low level, but my uncles have to live at home with my grandparents. They'll likely never

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279- really not showing much more intelligence by swearing at me. I never stated that I'd rather my son be dead. Don't put words in my mouth. I love my son as much as my typical children and delight in all of his achievements. Im proud of him all the time. I advocate on a daily basis and i don't let anyone treat him like he's less than anyone else. My comment was meant to highlight that day to day living with someone on the low functioning end of the spectrum is very very difficult. My son will

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Absolutely agree with this - medics don't give vaccinations for the fun of it. There can be serious complications of flu, as well as many childhood illnesses and they are much more likely to endanger a child than the shot is.

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no offense to men at all, but I would've expected this from a husband. aren't women supposed to have like... those protection instincts and crap? (don't ask me I'm a raging workaholic that hates kids).

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Well people who would think everything you claimed and would decide to not vaccinate because because their child MIGHT develop autism are selfish in my opinion. An AUTISTIC child can be happy and healthy. A UN VACCINATED child could possibly die from such diseases. I would say even with a risk I'd choose to vaccinate and have a happy healthy child and say fuck the labels.

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There's a lot of people who think that thanks to a total quack who ended up having to retract his report that the MMR vaccine is linked to autism and lost his license to practice medicine. That same study was responsible for a resurgence of diseases like the measles and the mumps, which were almost entirely eliminated, because a pack of paranoid parents shat themselves collectively and refused to vaccinate their children out of fear that they would become autistic. This begs the question: Would

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My kindergarten teacher brought her son in for the flu shot and the same day her husband did too without knowing she already did. Within the week their son was severely autistic and still is 12 years later.

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